I think the proof of using the various brands and types of vibration machines is going to be - in the results. It would be interesting to know what other training, if any, the owners, promoters of the various machines do and if they actually train on their machines and to see pictures. Its not that we are all perfect but results should show.

Blaire

Why is it so hard for you to believe Lloyd designed and built his machines without any help...

I have tried every high force lineal machine on the market and nothing compares to a VibraTrain machine, that is why after 3 and a half years in business as Lloyds compitition we choose to become a part of them.

Trust me if you ever get the opportunity to meet Lloyd Shaw and spend some time with him it will become clear that he is in a league on his own. 

Interesting read. How many people helped you design and build your machines Lloyd because its a bit tough to believe you did it all by yourself. You make it sound as though you single handedly made design breakthroughs that no one since can copy. How is that.     

Lloyd
Yes, she followed safety program to the letter.
I have to say, that when we opened the first studio, after a month or so, some of our customers wanted new exercises, because they see it on internet, or done it on Powerplate, or they „feel“ that they need specific exercise for butt muscles (you all faced those people, I suppose). I was tempted to indulge them, back then, but choose to stick to safety program instead (thanks to your  support, and information provided by community on this site). The result was to loose some of  customers at the time, but gain many more in time to come.
Last example was tennis coach who came to my physio clinic for help with his knee problem, which he developed after only one session on Poverplate. Sufficient to say, he did jumping on the machine on his first training (?!?)

The important issue as I see it is not to generalise!

There’s a huge difference between lineal and pivotal movement for a start. Then differing machine qualities, sizes and more.

 You can’t expect to do exactly the same program on every type, anymore than you can expect to be able to run on any surface – grass, mud, stones, coals, water (oh hold on a minute, there was this one man 2000 years ago *laughs* )

Cynthia.....

The bigger unit gives you better results. Mainly because the platform is bigger and you can do more. But you will get results with the smaller unit. Just more limited.

Lloyd, thanks again for your support.

And this one is cheaper. So, I will have my machine soon...

Lloyd, it have the same benefits than an expensive one?

So, for my personal use i need the Nitrofit personal ??.

Thanks again. Best regards

Cynthia

Our swimming champion, Sanja Jovanović, recently won several titles on last European Swimming short Course Championship, which held place in Eidhoven, Holland. Now, these are not the first European titles for this strong young lady, but they are special ones, I think.

Three months before this championship, she started to train again, after a long pause. Because of that pause, and some remaining health problems, her coach was worried about the way she is entering a full impact training. In consultation with myself, and my colleague who works in one of our vibration training studios, we combined vibration with swimming training.
The results were:
-Much shorter time needed to reach top level training than expected
-Avoidance of delayed muscle soreness
-Resolution of some of remaining health problems

So, is the role of vibration training in physical preparation of professional athletes  only warm up, recovery, and muscle strength gain? Not by far, judging at least by this example.

 

I enjoyed the recent article on Fake Experts and would like to share thoughts about researchers.  The International Society of Musculoskeletal and Neuronal Interactions published a review paper this year on recommendations for reporting vibration studies.  These recommendations include pilot studies on equipment to make sure the equipment operates according to what manufacturers claim BEFORE conducting a research study.  These seems so obvious you would have thought all these PhDs would do this as just a standard check as common sense.  Well, they did not do this.  The body of research literature on vibration has been contaminated because of this.

Ever since I have been corresponding with Lloyd, which has probably been around 5 years or more now, he has emphasized how different the various vibration plates can be.  Some are good, some bad, some do not perform as the manufacturer states, etc.  Well, the International Society of Musculoskeletal and Neuronal Interactions state vibration plates can perform differently with different loads or body weights, with movement or external resistance such as weights or cables, etc.  Lloyd has been saying this all along.

In the last year, a former mentor of mine, Dr. Mike Stone, who is also a former Head of Sport Physiology for the United States Olympic Committee, told me he and his colleagues had looked at Power Plate with different loads.  Power Plate lost a mm of amplitude with an 85 kg load and really bogged down at 100 Kg and above according to Stone.  Lloyd has been saying the same thing for years.

Several years ago, Dr. William Kraemer, who is Editor in Chief of JSCR, sent me a mesage saying he thought there was so much that could be done with vibration as an exercise modality.  Kraemer, in this message, mentioned a student he had who had done a study which he thought validated a particular vibration platform as a warmup modality for athletes.  Dr. Kraemer qualified his remarks in parenthesis saying I THINK.  So, Kraemer was not completely sure of this himself.   Now, people like Drs. Stone and Kraemer are individuals I respect.  Do not take this the wrong way.  In fact, I have tremendous respect for Dr. Stone and know him well.  The point is a large number of studies have been published in JSCR on vibration in the last few years and they are invalid according to the recommendations of the International Society of Musculoskeletal and Neuronal Interactions published earlier this year.  Dr. Kraemer, as Editor in Chief of JSCR, and his panel of associate editors who all have doctorates, missed the boat by allowing all these studies on vibration to be published in JSCR.  Other journals did the same thing as JSCR.  The research literature is contaminated.

Again, Lloyd has been saying this all along.  I think Lloyd is a REAL EXPERT.

John Weatherly

That old forum at http://www.diet-blog.com/05/good_vibrations.php makes very interesting reading.

It’s so easy to spot the marketers; Dan Fivey’s name comes up almost right away with links to the machines he wanted to sell but with no involvement in answering basic questions. 

Some things don’t change – some people don’t change

In contrast Lloyd was giving out free info back then just as he does now – to people on the other side of the world who have no access to his brand of machines.

I've been away for 4 days and so much has happened!  CONGRATULATIONS DEAN!  It's great to see people who are keen to use the technology in a positive way do well - restores my faith!  May this be the start of Croatian Dean Domination!

I  was also wondering how people thought the Bodyshaker Pro compares to the Vibrogym Pro.  In my opinionn, having tried both, although not side by side, the BodyShaker Pro is a bit more powerful.  Seeing as these are perhaps 2 of the few higher energy steel machines available it's good to have  a comparison. 

Am really disappointed if the Vibrationtraining.net site has continued to steal articles.  Surely  crediting sources and references is one of the corner stones of true academia?

And... we would be realy happy to go through the safety programme with anybody who has bought a home machine.

Good news from Croatia

I'm happy to inform you that second vibration studio equipped with Bodyshakers, and powered with Lloyds safety program was opened yesterday in Croatia, under a name of  Dobre vibracije (Good vibrations for those of you, not so good with Croatian language :)

More information about project „Dobre vibracije“ you can find on : http://www.dobrevibracije.hr/#

The first studio was opened in March, this year, and it displayed very quickly how important is to have a good machine, and reliable program that does the work, produce the results, and not the injuries. The most important fact is to be able to relay to a community that has well being of its customers as a priority. So, thank you all again, and again, for answering my questions promptly, and sincerely. To you, I can promise only one thing- there will be more questions in a time to come.

Special thanks to:

Martin from Bodyshaker, for believing in me, and the project

Lloyd Shaw, for saving a lot of my hard earned money, and guidance (I do hope I will have a chance to repay you one day)

Philippa Church, for being an excellent teacher, and „spiritus movens“

As anyone who is running his own business already knows, there is no guarantee of success. The same thing is with our Dobre vibracije. Especially in the time of financial crisis that hit Croatia really hard, and there is no sign of end of it, at least for now.  But, seeing passion of all of us involved in a Dobre vibracije, as well as you all out there, I have no alternative, but to be a optimist.

Wish us luck

Thanks Mike, for your advice.

I think you’re right. Not sure if any of the home models will last long enough, in terms of plateau, including the BodyShaker Junior. So best to go for a pro model.

 Anyone know how long the BodyShaker pro is likely to last reliability wise, against the tried and tested VibroGym Pro model?  

Thank you for your answers to my previous question. Now please, if any one of you knows anything about 

Gobus My Power home vibration platform from www.gymworld.co.uk - 977 pounds

DKN XG5 - 1250 pounds

Ultim8 Pro from www.ultim8fitness.co.uk - 1499 pounds

or

POWERX Active 3.5 from www.vibrationsplatte.de - 1745 pounds

I m specially interested in Globus it seems that could be a good machine for my mother with good specs from an italian sport manufacturer. But i dont know if what is on paper is real too. Any based on knowledge advice is much appreciated. Thank you very much in advance.