There is no way I could forget the links you provided Lloyd.  And the history is all there for people to read.  That is the nice thing about the net.  Good job archiving the info.  They cannot deny it happened or destroy the evidence.  Folks, keep in mind the links Lloyd provided below show how the most successful athletic performance business, at least in the U.S., operates.  Its all about money, marketing, and sales - not the truth about vibration etc.

Everybody that cares about honesty and ethics should give Lloyd a pat on the back. 

John
 

Interesting comment about the castle built on sand Lloyd.  I heard from a King of a  castle yesterday - Dr. William Kraemer -  who is Editor in Chief of the Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research.  The communication was personal but I will share that Dr. Kraemer has a dismal view of the field of strength and conditioning in the U.S.  He even mentioned people may want to consider looking at moving to a country other than the U.S to find meaningful employment in the field.

John T. Weatherly

Jodie

There are times we just play it safe - when we simply can’t know what possible effect it might have. If your boy was uncomfortable he would have moved away from the machine so it appears to not be doing him any immediate harm and I doubt it can hurt him longterm either but why take any risk when Lloyd said he doesnt advise it - could he sit near you and look at a picture book or could you visit the studio with a friend or relative that can look after him while he’s in a clingy stage. Most studios have a toybox with a few playthings also. 

For others reading this topic: Our studio’s are generally safe for children but parents must watch over them. They must remain where the parent can see them at all times and are never allowed to visit any kitchen or bathroom areas without an adult accompanying them. It is not the instructor’s responsibility and the instructor might even stop the session if the child is disturbing other customers. This is rare but I’ve had to talk to a few mothers about this.

Thank you  what sort of effects  does this have on boys is it dangerous just leaning against the machine

Hello Lloyd   I have recently started VibraTrain and take my 2 year old son with me

who just seems to love the touch of the machine, he is very clingy and wants to stand

by the machine leaning his front against it, is this ok for him as his bits are obviously

touching the machine can this be detremental to his future fertility or is there no harm in it

Good point Lloyd.  All I know about the large acute GH responses on the study with Galileo that used 10 sets of a minute on and off is what Dr. Marco Cardinale reported as part of his doctoral work - and nobody else has replicated it since.  This is something I find quite peculiar.  Marco finished his doctoral work almost 10 years ago. 

John T. Weatherly

Lloyd    The idea that every reseracher who has had something publishedover that time period not following protocol also means every peer that reviewed the research failed to review it properly or no one reviewed it at all.

You are talking about hundreds of people . What do you want from them.     

What is that going to achieve lloyd

Hi Mike M

No, that domain has been renewed by the owner until Nov 2013. Probably an automatic renewal as the owner trades in websites.  He’s not in any way involved in the vibration training industry.

I agree with you though, that forum and the whole domain is just a thinly veiled disguise to promote Hypervibe  (that’s my opinion, okay). They basically tell people to choose between Galileo and Hypervibe knowing Galileo is way more expensive.

We all have bias but on this website we will always provide information and help specific to the enquirer’s needs, location and price.

Hey, just noticed that the vibrationtraining.net domain has expired. What does this mean? No more forum to promote the Hypervibe?

That's interesting about how your Air Reflex handles its air system, Patty. What I have observed about my Contour Plus is this: it seems to leave the air alone, mostly. It pumped it up when I first plugged it in and as best I can recall, has made a few pumping noises at a (very) few random times in the months since then (usually not when it's being used) like it was adusting pressure, and otherwise nothing. I hear the clanking when it cuts on or off, and the humming when it's running, and that's IT. That's all the noise it ever makes.

That's why I'm a bit confused by the idea it is supposed to adjust for a person's weight. As far as I can tell, it never does that.

To add to my previous post:

The simplicity of the IVTRB program with its strict, safe poses makes the instructor’s job very straightforward.  It’s easy to see, at a glance, exactly what position a person is up to; even when watching people on 8 machines in one room, all up to different positions. 

Also it’s very easy for the customers.  I can only imagine the chaos if everyone had individualised programs.

Patty

I’m glad to hear your machine has been repaired.  Keep us updated with your progress using it please.

First - thanks to Lloyd - I am sure your influence has played a role in my finally getting my Wave repaired. I do feel that they are reading the forum too - as after my post re my frustration with Sandy - he stayed on top of keeping me informed as to what was going on with my repair part - even sent me a tracking number for the shipment. Here’s my update:

Wave part arrived last Tuesday and the repairman came today to do the installation. Hubby was home to meet with him. Same nice guy. He told my husband he had never worked on a vibration machine before and was not really familiar with their use. But, he installed the new insides (appeared to be the main operating control panel that goes in the underside of the machine). I used it tonight - and it worked quite differently than my “pre-breakdown” Wave. First, when I turn it on, it makes a totally different sound. Instead of sounding like it is pumping up with air (continual sound) it makes a sound like someone is tapping a pedal on an air pump…and it makes the sound several times. Then, instead of sounding like it is filling with more air when I touch the start-up screen - it is silent until I touch the screen to adjust for my weight. Then it makes the sound of filling air. Very short time compared to before. So, either my pre-breakdown machine was totally off - or they have made changes to the new control panel that has been installed - or it is still not working properly…I am hoping it is an improved panel. The machine itself feels more smooth…and it does not jump on the floor as much as it did before at start-up and stop. One issue that occurred - when I was doing the stretch -where you bend forward - the lower timer was not running in time with the upper timer. At 17 seconds - it stuck there for about 4 seconds, then went down very slowly, more than a second at each countdown number. It had 10 seconds left on the bottom counter when the top counter had reached zero - stopping the machine. I was able to notice this since I was bent over facing the lower timer. This only happened once…so I don’t know if I will have another issue as I continue to use the Wave.

I started my training at 43 / high and did 2 one minute poses for each of the safety training program poses. Surprisingly, I didn’t have any trouble with the program…actually seemed easier than when I did my very first workout on the machine in July. Hopefully the machine is working correctly since it seems very different now.

Mike M - I noticed the higher prices too! I paid $4,500 - and would not pay the price they are asking now. In hind sight - you got the best deal and think that perhaps I would have been better off going with the contour plus…oh well..time will tell. If I can get consistent use now and begin to see some results, I will be content. My husband has agreed to begin using it too…so I am hoping it will make a difference for him.

With the IVTRB Safety Program  ( http://www.vibratrainlease.com/poster.html | http://www.vibratrainlease.com/safety-workout-explained.html )

Estimated warranty work is built into retail. Quite often prices will go up as real world costs become apparent.

Patty


How is your repair going? Is it fixed yet?

As an aside, I just got the email from Wave and it appears their opinion of Wave Contour Plus has gone up. To $4800 list now. From $4000 list earlier, when I ordered it for $3600. So I looked at the site and your Air Reflex is now at $8995 list. You paid what, $5000? If they fixed it, not too bad I guess.