If copying Lloyd Shaws machines was easy to do, then where are the copies. In any country not just New Zealand. As someone said it has been 5 years so either everyone has tried and failed or as Richard RH said it is a lot more complex than it looks. Market forces would dictate if it could be done it would have been done.

It would not seem that secrets are Mr Shaws thing as he has given away so much free information, even a run down of his life that was not glossed over and made to make him look better than he is. I think he knows some people do not like him but I also do not think he is trying to win a popularity contest the old fashioned suck-up cheesy saleman way. I have a family member who really does not like Lloyd but still reads his stuff. He has influence over someone who does not like him, think about that.

Riddle me this Why would someone who only sells studios help someone buy a home machine  use a home machine  or set up a studio without his machines or give people hints on how to build a good machine.So either Lloyd is crazy or crazy like a fox.

It a bloody mistery to me but I think  by the time any of his competition figure it out it will be too late.

Hazzen,

We have 3 of Lloyds machines in our studio – they have been operating for over 5years with ZERO downtime. We also have another well known brand in our studio that hardly gets used due to the demand for Lloyd Shaws  Vibra-Train machines. Why? Because they get results.

Oh and don’t be so condescending towards morticians, we will all be needing their expertise at some time, however even you could delay the need for his services by training on his machines.

I came into Vibra-Train as a customer when I began my training as a Fitness Instructor.  I could not understand why Lloyd Shaw was outspoken against Fitness NZ and thought his concerns might be exaggerated. 

I’m now a N.Z. REPs registered Fitness Instructor.  I’ve listened to Lloyd’s concerns about corruptness and lack of ethics and I’ve tried to balance both sides, trying to see the worth in having an overseeing board controlling the fitness industry in N.Z., ensuring trainers are up to standard and gyms are providing excellent service but the longer I’ve spent looking in and being in, the more I understand and agree with Lloyd’s concerns -  For one thing, In my opinion, Fitness Instructors can basically buy their way to registration by studying with schools that are owned by Fitness NZ and REPs board members. Those who study at regular universities and local Technical Institutes don’t gain full registration even when the courses are listed on the REPs website.  And that’s where I am right now and I’m this month required to sit an exam to prove I’m up to standard. This general exam makes no sense to me as I’ve moved into a specific area of fitness and therapy training – Vibration Training.  I also do other industry courses each year to keep up to date.

FitnessNZ and REPs board won’t send someone to assess me at my job, it’s all academic; easy for them, an online exam, and only accessible through Facebook, which in my opinion is also laughable. Not every gym floor trainer has a computer and the payrate for trainers in N.Z. is so low it’s no surprise that some couldn’t afford one. 

Also FitnessNZ/REPS Preferred Providers of fitness equipment are those companies who are overseen or part owned by FitnessNZ or REPs board members.  It’s like a big club – if you’re in, you can benefit greatly  to the point of having your product recommended despite it’s real worth and despite it’s manufacturing defects or shortcomings in the case of recommended Vibration Machines.

And what do Fitness Instructors and Personal Trainers get for their yearly fee paid to REPs? Nothing much at all – lower fees for events like GetNZ Active (it’s just priced that way), a newsletter that says nothing, just lists available courses, a regular newsletter from Australian Fitness Network – the only thing of value with some articles worth reading, and free or cheap client assessment forms with REPs logo all over them – no thanks I have my own.

Some will tell me this statement is too long but I hope it explains in part how some trainers feel. Today I am emailing FitnessNZ and REPs to withdraw my current registration. In doing so I’m choosing to work in an independent fitness business (Vibra-Train) that values my contribution and where I will continue to be trained and tested to the highest level so that customers get the safest, most effective workout possible and I get the job satisfaction that makes going to work exciting.

I would have to add also my experience of Lloyd spending a a lot of time advising me on my initial purchase of machines which had no gain for him whatsoever.  Hypergravities.  He also spent  endless time and energy helping me out of a very nasty situation when the machines kept going wrong.  Without his support again, no gain for him, I would have gone under and doubt that I would have got any money back for the machines that were just not fit for purpose.  Clearly and quite rightly, Lloyd is proud of his machines but he has always supported other companies businesses that work in an ethical manner. 

I still have the Vibrogyms I purchaced and am thinking of setting up again.  I did try to sell them on trademe a while ago but not takers.

You took my calls and helped me when even the people who sold me the machines would not  not return my attempts to contact them.. Dan Fivey and his mate Jyle. I still dont get why you helped my family even though our businesss was not very  far from you. 

I will email you soon to come and visit and get advice on how to relaunch.

Hey KM, thanks for your comments about Lloyd it takes even bigger nuts to admit when one was wrong, well done.

There have been times that i didnt fully understand where lloyd was going with this industry but allowing myself to trust him has proven advantageous

I am usually a lurker on this forum, but I have had personal dealings with Lloyd Shaw before, not all pleasent. Everything and everybody he warned me about not trusting in the past was spot on.  I still do not agree with some of his methods and they are not how I have been trained to deal with things. But the results have spoken for themselves.

My mates and I lost everything because we thought he was full of shit and trusted the wrong people. The people in the nice suits. What could have been still comes to mind every time I read this site.

 Everytime I talk to people about vibration training, they know who you are. And a lawyer friend of mine thinks you have balls of steel. 

I hope the winning streak continues .  For everybodies sake.

Linda – no not bitter and twisted at all.

Just passionate about an industry that can be of enormous benefit to the health and wellbeing of New Zealanders.

Just ask the people that Lloyd Shaw gives his time and services to free of charge. These include the obese, MS sufferers, people in wheelchairs, amateur athletes. All of whom benefit from vibration training.

Also ask the people in the industry that Lloyd Shaw has assisted, even those that would be considered as opposition to Lloyd Shaw’s own company. All for the good of the industry and health and wellbeing of New Zealanders.

Your sort of personal attack is nothing new and shows that you can’t argue with the facts just emotion.

Another is that PowerPlate were claiming their machines were made in Europe or “anywhere but China” when they were in fact, made in China and now some in India.

You can see evidence of this on the TradeMe New Zealand auction site where a seller is saying he was told his PowerPlate was “made in USA” – they have never been made in USA.

It’s about honesty.

Actually I put in a complaint using my full name and address etc - and got back an acknowledgement with reference that I would be contacted within 3 months – then nothing – no contact – no action. Not only Lloyd Shaw but others have put in complaints also.

Hi Linda

I don’t know what your experience with Vibration Machines is or what brands you have tried.

I’d love you to come to a Vibra-Train studio for a workout session.  Then you’ll see what a high force machine is. 

You can then make an informed decision on the honesty of the claims of various machine brands and you’ll totally understand why we are so hard on marketers and suppliers of low quality (yet high results claiming) machines and on the Commerce Commission whose job it is to protect the consumer and to whom many individuals have made complaints.

It’s never about brand promotion but about Quality and Results – both for Training and for Therapy.

This is happening everywhere...

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/commerce-commission-useless-and-lazy

Basically those in charge are too dumb to be  usefull to the consumer.

Thank you very much.  Seemed too good to be true at the price offered to be a training machine.  Not sure how they get away with the claims they make though...

Hi there

I came across your site while looking for a vibration machine for home use, primarily for my 14 year old daughter to assist in muscle development and recovery after a full knee dislocation some months ago.  She is a ballet dancer and needs to rebuild strength in her quad and particularly vmo and recovery has been slow and laborious.  For the past 6 weeks I have been using a hyper-vibe machine at a local studio and am impressed by the obvious effect it is having on my muscle strength.

Since I cannot afford a hyper-vibe at home I have been looking at other options and came across a machine from Confidence Fitness, sold here and in the UK.  However after reading your very informative site info I am concerned this may simply be one of the 98 of low speed pivotals you talk about in your review page.  Im somewhat dubious of the specs they are providing about this machine.

Can you give me any advice and do you know anything of this particular machine personally.  Any feedback would be much appreciated.  I cant seem to post a link to the site here but it is the Confidence Fitness Vibration Plate Power Plus available from oo.com.au  and numerous other sites.

Thanks, Deb

Firstly where do you live – the world is a big place – this determines what is available to you.

Read this: Machine Reviews (www.vibration-training-advice.com/machine-reviews ) and decide what type of machine you want and how much you are prepared to pay. 

Are you able to go to a Vibration Training Studio?

You will find many other articles here (www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program)  

Then if you have any further questions please come back and ask.

Hi There,

Could you please advice if it is possible for you...which machine should be good to use for me and my partner 35 and 44 years old, we just want to loose weight as the weight is giving us back pain for him and knees pain for me. We are healthy couple but we are exercises much these days, busy life, we probably need to loose not more than 10kg. Thank you very much for your time, regarsds, karen