Again, I do not want to get in the middle of the fight between Gabriel and Lloyd.  I do want to state a fact.  As someone who commented on vt.net, I noticed after the change, blow-up, or whatever you want to call it that the name Lloyd  as author of a large number of articles had been removed and replaced by Ted.  This is fact.  Everybody that participated on vt.net at the time who is honest will back this up.  Thus, Ted or whoever was behind it, falsely took credit for being the author of material that Lloyd wrote.

John Weatherly

I do not want to get in the middle of the fight  between Gabriel and Lloyd.  I pleaded with these guys some time ago in an email to try and get along.  I am curious about the European study on Galileo and am hoping Gabriel will email me a copy when it is published.  I want to read the whole study and not just the abstract.  Sounds exciting.  Keep in mind though, hypertrophy of slow twitch fibers which Gabriel mentioned can be a detriment to power athletes in anaerobic sports or positions that need high levels of relative strength and power. 

John Weatherly

Really? That sounds very good. However, I understand there were an awful lot of posts removed from the message board over there. Is there any way they can be restored? Surely you don't require message board postings to "contain information that was as unbiased and as evidence based as possible"? After all, they are by definition just someone's opinion, and will be taken as such, by any reasonable person...

My role on vt.net is simple. I write articles based upon my experience as a physio and studio owner using vibration on a daily basis. I do this in an effort to encourage discussions on subjects other than which platform to buy. Since this is still the primary question that is posed however, I try to guide people based on whatever EVIDENCE is out there. There is no hidden agenda whatsoever. I have no role in any of the content that was added or removed during the redesign. It was redesigned to contain information that was as unbiased and as evidence based as possible. Perhaps the removal of this article was because it did not meet this criteria.     

Mike

Thankyou very much  I appreciate that offer ,I am 1.5 hours away but do come to Invercargill , I will get in contact next time Im down look forward to  meeting with you if it suits you...Im sure there is lots you can help me with.....just not sure what yet.

Pam

I am in Invercargill. If you are close by and need training in any way or have any questions you can contact me direct in the white pages under vibra train.

Any training would be for free.

 Yah thankyou very much..... will let you know how i get on.

Hi Lloyd   sorry I meant to say in my last post.I live in NZ,down the bottom almost.

Proform ZL ,about a 1000 dollars through elitefitness,it is a new brand to them evidently and is on special

The others are  all on trade me,the aerobics  one i found through this forum on trade me...Body Green brand.

Thanks

Hi I have been reading your posts for what seems like days now while trying to decide on a reasonable machine for home use.

I have been using one locally a Fit X , I think,but they are no longer around.The lady who was taking the sessions has left to go home to England and I would like to get a similar one as I have been very happy with the results.

I would be very interested in your opinion on the following machines and whether you thought any were any good.

Proform ZL, Crazy Fit530, Vibrafit  or Aerobics Vibration.

If you have the time to reply I would really appreciate it.Thankyou.

Gabriel

I have known Lloyd for over 5 years now and have heard him say nothing but good things about the galileo platform, He may disagree with the marketers behind it but the platform itself is one of the best on the market. Only problem is last time i checked it is over priced for the average person.

The post by Jan in no way reflects the quality of the machine, but what it does show is the lack of education out there or the laziness of people not researching and following the poses that are recomended for a safe workout.

just my 2 cents worth....

Perhaps I am missing something. I see plenty of posts here looking for quality vibration training equipment. Yet, despite that, there is no mention of Galileo. That seems to be a pretty good example of your refusal to support them in my opinion. I am aware that they chose not to "fight the good fight" with you, but they spend an awful amount of time and effort to perfect their engineering and use their systems to perform proper research. Research that includes power training and athletic performance. Are those considered "therapy" benefits...I am unclear.  Instead, you recommend the Noblerex and Nitrofit.  I think the post below by Jan is a very accurate and fair review of both platforms. I get it though...how else can you convince others that pivotal equals therapy. Just recommend garbage pivotal.

That is neither here nor there though. I was honestly just trying to shed light on some good research. Of course, there is nothing in your post to discuss that subject. Why would we want to do that. Just a defensive response and of course, another opportunity to bash the Hypervibe. Thanks for your time.  

Hi Lloyd. I received my Noblerex K1 today.  I have to say I am unimpressed.  I guess I was expecting a miracle or something and all I got was a mild headache.  I am a very sedentary person and havent exercised in years, so I thought I might be a little sore or feel like I got a workout....well, I put the machine on its highest level and placed my feet at the farthest ends of the pivotal plate and just felt like I was being jiggled around a bit.  I did some of the dynamic poses they suggested.  I dont feel any different, really.  I hope I notice something more in time, or back it goes.  I am hoping for some back and shoulder pain relief and weight loss.  I will keep you posted.

While I am aware that you are not a fan of mine, I share your sentiment over this article on athletes. I have faced this type of rejection for the past several months while pursuing several local cycling associations despite some great testiminoials. Fortunately, in several months, a study out of Europe to be published in a leading sports medicine journal, should put an end to this challenge and offer elite and recreational athletes a strong potential training option that utilizes, AND REQUIRES, vibration training. The abstract indicates that in 5 weeks improvements were seen in "ventilatory threshold", "time to exhuastion", "slow twitch fiber hypertrophy", and "increased muscle mass" just to name a few.

Of course, this study used the Galileo platform, which you refuse to support. Either way, I think you will be pleased by the results. 

Mike and Di Heap

Thank you so much.....

Yes I am interested in muscle toning.  I am a somewhat crazy 58 year old man that likes a good workout.  Thank you Lloyd for the giudelines for a proper lineal workout   This is great information and I am glad you guys are out there trying to improve this entire industry  Much appreciated   indeed.

Mike do you mind telling me of the "one machine" that builds good quality muscle.....  Is it a dependable machine

My best to all

David

David

Based on experience (opening the first pivotal studio in the world), I would stick to lineal if it is muscle toning you are after. The

reason being is after about 6 months the body seems to plateau on a pivotal. If you want to do upper body work outs then

pivotal is more restricted. Just my personal opinion.

A high energy lineal should get harder as time goes on. As far as building muscle is concerned there is only one machine that I

have found that builds good quality Muscle, and no I don’t sell them but yes I do use one in my studio.

Also just my opinion...Oh and personal experience J Sorry for throwing the cat amongst the pigeons.

David

If you liked the intensity of muscle contraction using the small Hypergravity personal platform then the TrueVibe (U.K.) or the VibroGym Professional platforms would give an even better workout

But do a trial of a pivotal Nitrofit deluxe if you can – so you can feel the difference in the types of machines.  Even turned up to highest I personally don’t find pivotal machines give the strength of muscle contraction I’m used to  - some people prefer them though and get good training from them.

I may have figured out the twitter guy. Saw a page where it looked like there were a couple entries into that Wave giveaway contest, that just concluded. I think this was his entry. He didn't win.

Thank you all for the advice.

Lloyd,

The Hypergravity has only been in use for approx. 3 months in total.  I purchased it 2.5 years ago but it sat in a corner.... So it is essentially new.  As I mentioned I want to give this to unit to my father and try another machine and that is why I am writing.... Yes I do like the strong power of the Hypergravity unit  but have never used the Pivotal .  If they both seem to build muscle equally well then I may try pivotal ....

I

Mike M 

I agree that the Wave twitter person sounds a bit unusual.  He says he has found the Holy Grail of exercise machines.    He goes on to say he is very busy and the Wave gives him an hour worth of gym in just ten minutes, but yet he still goes to the gym and injures himself there.  Hmmmmm .....