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Some guy called Jim Rollince from a company Gym Source, that sell home gym equipment. Contact Di Heap to see if he could be a contributor to her website ( www.vibeplus.com ) And guess what he sells, that’s right Power Plate.
I don’t think the email he got back was very welcoming. LOL
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-08-12 12:52:38
Carol...
Here are the current prices for some Pivotal machines..
Crazy-Fit , Gym Form Vibro Max etc... $300 --- $1400 ( depending on where you get it from even though from same factory. )
T-Zone ------ $1200 ( $ Aus )
NitroFit ------- $1000 -- $2500 ( $ U.S. ) Price depends on model.
Galileo ------ $7800 ----- $19,000 ( $ Aus ) Price depends on model.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-08-10 14:57:29
Carol...
It really depends on what price you are willing to pay, and if you actually intend using the machine regularly. Because then after sales support becomes important .
Eg... The really cheap Crazy-Fit , Gym-Form Vibro Max etc... machines can give some results ( if used with proper exercise poses, not standing watching TV like they show on the adverts ) But they will break and you will get no support. Notice the only ones you see for sale second hand on auction sites have only been used about 3 times. ( By the owners own admition most of the time ) . You never see one that was used "all the time" and the person just got bored. This is not a coincidence, the rest are at the rubbish tip or in the garage broken.
Note: If they break they cost more to fix than buying a new one.
Units like the T-Zone are better quality and come with after sales support. Similar design but usually run a bit faster, giving a better workout. They also tend to be more honest in what you have to do to get results pose wise.
There is also companies like NitroFit -- U.S. that sell good Pivotal units.
Then you can go all the way up to a Galileo, but you have to be prepared to pay for that kind of quality.
My advice, I think going for a medium priced unit with a reputable company is the best choice if you are in the market for a Pivotal home machine.
Carol
Posted On:2010-08-10 11:52:21
Great site guys. Took a while to read it but worth the effort. What do you really think of the pivotal machines they sell on the internet. Completely worthless or what
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-08-07 10:55:58
Just to recap head of Soloflex Jerry Wilsons statements .......
( and remember this is not some uneducated salesperson )
When Soloflex first began selling WBV equipment I had no idea what kind of feedback we’d be getting. The most surprising was that a few people were reporting losing fat. I still don’t understand how that could happen but why would anyone report that if it didn’t happen? One lady claimed she lost 30 pounds.
As for high levels of vibration being necessary to induce the conditioning effects, this is clearly repudiated by the Juvent device, a certified medical device that operates below .3g’s. Vibration is just vibration, regardless of the mechanical method chosen to induce it. Perhaps there is a “most efficient” device on the market but everyone selling the expensive WBV Platforms claims that title with their “proprietary” advantage.
Note : Juvent did not claim weight loss was achieved or achievable from their low amplitude, High Fq unit .
Several of our customers have reported significant weight loss simply standing and stretching on our WBV Platform. I didn’t expect this (and it’s hardly a scientific study) but you’ve explained pretty well why it could happen. Thanks
Note: No exercise poses needed, no extra weights needed. He is very clear on this point.
In both statements I think it is clear Jerry Wilson of SoloFlex is deliberately trying to perpetrate the myth that" all and any" vibration causes weight loss, and the construction of the machine makes zero difference. I think everybody involved in the industry will agree this is a bald faced lie.
As as I have often said " if any vibration made you lose weight, all truck drivers would be skinny"
He is the enemy of everyone who takes this science seriously. And his company is to be blacklisted for this reason.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-08-06 14:41:15
Was informed today that 3 Gyms in Townsville were calling their Chinese made Gym Form machines Vibra-Train machines. Made contact with them and hopefully that's the end of it.
But what gets me is these gyms buy machines not even remotely similar to training machines, and tell people it is. Giving a very bad impression of what Vibration Training is all about. I mean if they are not clued up enough to get fooled into buying these machines in the first place, what other advice are they giving. That standing on it for 10 mins staring at the wall will help you lose weight ?
I mean really what Gym owner would believe an infomercial ?
Lloyd Shaw
Posted On:2010-08-03 16:15:57
ADVERTISING OPTIONS FOR VIBRATION-TRAINING-ADVICE COM
Home base for the I.V.T.R.B. ------ International Vibration Training Regulating Body ---------
With the new website now up and fully running, and attracting traffic , its time to look at weather you want to advertise on the site, and to what degree you wish to have exposure.
Front page cover , and on all subsequent pages for $600 ( N.Z.) Per Month. Being on the front page will allow not only them to be the first adverts the consumer sees ( and uncluttered by Google adverts ), it also gives us a chance to clearly state you are a recommended company to deal with. Any consumer looking for a machine or advice on the new forum will be directed to one of the companies on that list. We view the fact you choose to advertise on this site as not only a commercial decision, but also one supporting our actions to keep the industry clean and hence trusted by the consumer.
You do not need to be selling the most expensive machines to be supported by the community and advertise on this site. Just clear and precise marketing into your particular category is needed.
Note: You will also be automatically given a listing on option 2 at no extra charge that will stay up for the remainder of the year, even if you cancel your front page advert.
Important point for your sales team .... As a supporter of the site and community, you will be mentioned as often as possible on the forum when applicable, with free referrals given by the community. Your fees will be put back into the site development.
This list is accessed from the top of the articles and is simply called "Where to buy a machine " This is $350 (N.Z.) per year to be listed on, and with the self explanatory title should attract the attention of those looking to buy a machine. A simple, cheap and effective way to get your product some exposure. Again we will be making it clear your product has been "allowed" onto the site because of its higher standard at every opportunity.
Banner/Link + Contact details
Note: The site will be further highlighting the sometimes massive difference in product quality in the marketplace, by actually listing companies/products that are NOT allowed to advertise on the site.
Again this list is accessed from the top of the articles and is simply called "Where to use a machine " This is only $100 (N.Z.) per year This is for Studios, Gyms , Physios etc...carrying machines we believe to be of high enough quality as to do the Vibration Training Industry the justice it deserves.
We will also be asking all premises listed to carry the "safety program" as an option for customers . As in the other forum we were quite often asked how good the training was at a far away studio none of us had trained at, so I believe reassuring the consumer a base program we all carried, was available to them on request, should give the consumer further confidence we are organized, communicate and are safety conscious. This will not restrict you from doing your own programs, that you can introduce to the customer once they have settled in.
Physios will of course not be expected to offer the program.
Note: This is also a place manufacturers should suggest their clients list themselves as it not only helps their numbers but increases exposure to your product.
If you are interested in being listed under either option please contact me back and I will inform you what we need.
Modified and fixed a Fit-Vibes isolation system last week ( no charge as I had spare ones that fitted his machines floating around ) . The guy who had them was going to have to front up with $8000 to keep his 4 machines running properly.
Elite-Fitness ( N.Z.) had failed to tell him this was guaranteed to happen, of course.
I do not think they realize that is 800 sessions @ $10 a session, he would have to do. Not to earn $1 profit, just to keep open. A small business just can not afford to have to do that. Other parts need replacing on occasion as well he was not told about.
As a consumer you need to get in writing from a company, which parts normally "wear and tear" and how much they will be to replace.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-08-02 14:27:15
I personally love it when PowerPlate customers come into the studio, I truly light up. And watching their faces as they realize they have been sold a lot of BS. I even have a machine that can produce the same amount of force as a Power Plate so they can directly compare. And I also have an original steel Power Plate so they can feel what going from steel to plastic did to the brand.
No amount of marketing can turn them back to cheaper machines after just one experience on the real thing.
Di Heap
Posted On:2010-08-02 13:05:08
I had a customer at Vibra-Train Auckland this morning who had just returned from England.She usually does Vibration Training at Vibra-Train’s Tauranga Studio (150Km/95 miles away) where she lives but came here between her flight arrival and bus home.
While visiting relatives in England she’d been using Power Plate Acceleration Training in a studio.
She told me how happy she was to be back at Vibra-Train as the machines are so much more powerful.Also she preferred the Safety Program using relaxed, static positions rather than moving about on the plate as she’d done at PowerPlate.
She also said loved the ability to just drop in to Vibra-Train rather than having to fit what she needed to do around the Power Plate Class Timetable appointment time. (all exactly what she said, I didn’t even ask)
Make me realise, once again, how much our business model differs from others.With 9 machines here of varying levels when customers come in it’s rare to have to wait. Some studios have 3 or 4 machines but with fast, effective, 10-15 minutes sessions any waiting time is short.
The other thing I noticed was that she was “Position Perfect”.I stayed with her while she trained as she was tired but she didn’t need any correction.By using the Vibra-Train Safety Program with its precise instructions (used in our studios and others worldwide) she had leant exactly how to get the best vibration training workout possible.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-08-01 09:17:19
Tina.
You have mentioned a pretty wide range of products there. Power Plate being the weakest and least effective, DKN a definite step up from them, BodyShaker and VibroGym being more powerful.
We really also need to know where it is going because not all machines can go in all locations.
Di Heap
Posted On:2010-08-01 00:34:16
Tina
Are you wanting a home machine or to use one in a studio or gym?
What results do you want to achieve and which brands can you access?
At home you have other things to consider like where the machine will be placed. Have you read any of the articles on this website?
Tina
Posted On:2010-07-31 21:32:23
Of these brands,dkn powerplate, vibrogym bodyshaker which one is the most powerful.
Thanks in advance.
PhilippaCHurch
Posted On:2010-07-31 01:45:25
Well done to Kevin, I have no doubt he will make a real success of it and hopefully put a big dent in Power Plates sales and reputation. Looking forward to seeing the new machine.
MikeHair
Posted On:2010-07-30 17:19:06
Congratulations to Kevin Barclay-Webb I wish him success and its good that he is pushing true vibration training...Wont be long and Power Plate will be a thing of the past
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-07-30 15:29:57
Well Power Plate split back in 03 to form VibroGym. Now Kevin Barclay-Webb who did a lot for both companies ( essentially their top salesperson ) is now forming True-Vibe.
He is apparently going to be pushing "True" Vibration Training. The principles we teach and preach on this site.
Di Heap
Posted On:2010-07-30 15:22:56
An interesting study that gives encouraging results for the use of Vibration Training for glycemic control in Type 2 Diabetic people.
The poses are not ones I would use and the time of each was only 30 seconds.Results are still there – Vibration Training works!
That's good John. The more people that start to understand exactly how low a quality Power Plate machines are the better. They give us all a bad name.
I am hoping my videos wake people up. Especially any coaches or teams that got fooled by the flashy marketing in the past. And not understanding Power Plates and other such machines are still just a "machine". Designed to do a "job", and there are a number of factors that will stop it from doing its job.
What gets me are the people who seemed to throw all engineering general knowledge out the window when confronted with Vibration Training platforms.
Where is it built ? India / China
What's it made of ? Plastic
???? LOL
Di Heap
Posted On:2010-07-29 08:47:32
It’s a good test, John.Remember the combined weight of the four people on the Vibra-Train “Bullet” machine was 331Kg.I’d be interested to see a video or results of PowerPlate using that sort of weight – 110Kg is less than two people!
Here’s the video of the test so others can see it:A simple test for Gym and Studio owners - to test the performance of a Commercial Vibration Training Platform
I spoke with a scientist here in the U.S. this am. He and his colleagues did a test similar to the test Lloyd demonstrated with the hammer and the 4 people standing on a Vibratrain machine. Only difference was they used Power Plate and measured the actual amplitude in mm ranging from unloaded to 85 kg, 110 kg, and above 110 kg. At the same setting for frequency and amplitude, Power Plate lost 1 mm amplitude at 85 kg compared to unloaded and really bogged down at 110 kg and above.
John Weatherly
Di Heap
Posted On:2010-07-28 12:44:06
For those who know me, I’m now almost 8 weeks post surgery (2 small operations with the second being more intensive but both laparoscopic type surgeries).I work with Vibration Machines so I wanted to get back onto them as soon as I was able.I’ve been doing the full “Vibra-Train Safety program” this week and I’m finding it very hard work – similar to a new user. Even though I’m totally familiar with the program having done it for over 3 ½ years I’m struggling to hold the positions as I’ve become detrained.My muscles feel like burning during the sessions and I fatigue quickly.I’m still being careful how much vibration I feel in my pelvic area – it won’t hurt me but I have an ongoing pelvic and leg nerve irritation that the vibration can set off again.
I’m excited about regaining my fitness.Also it’s a lesson in how quickly a person becomes de-conditioned – I know from my customers and my own experience that two weeks off causes a detraining effect and I lose strength and overall fitness.
I’ve been doing Vibration Therapy for a month but now I’m back to Vibration Training – it’s a very different thing!
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-07-27 14:13:14
Thank you Nancy.
From what I have seen in this industry to date, it is always those who lack confidence in their own ability and product that "sell out" or become random and unsafe. They already know they do not have a future in the industry.
We are in it for the long haul. 10, 20 years. Whatever it takes to get the job done.
Nancy
Posted On:2010-07-25 21:15:00
Hi, I think you guys deserve major kudos for your determination in promoting safe training not giving in to greed.
I had previously been on two other brands of vibration machines but never really understood what I was meant to do or feel. After trying the real thing I am totally hooked and convinced that this is the way to go. I only did 4 or 5 poses and the fatigue in my muscles even 24 hours later is unbelievable....this coming from someone who has been a gym member for many years.
I look forward to joining my nearest studio.
Thanks again and best wishes.
PhilippaChurch
Posted On:2010-07-21 03:01:56
Just wanted to say thanks for all the videos on YouTube. Its been really helpful to refresh with these and to help reinforce training for staff. Good to see the handlebars being used also.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-07-20 21:07:09
This is a direct quote from Richard Beddie....
" A more recent entrant to the exercise market is Vibration Exercise Machines, and there is also only one franchise in this area that ensures all their franchise holders are REPs registered, Vibex - Vibration Exercise for Women. "So when choosing an exercise facility to workout in, or a new business to invest in, the starting point should always be REPs
A clear personal endorsement from Richard for Vibex. But where is the owner now ? Jonathan Ullrich abandoned the industry and his promise to open more studios himself, after taking God knows how much Franchise money from people. He does not even run his own studio anymore. http://unlimited.co.nz/unlimited.nsf/startup/pickin-up-good-vibrations ( the franchises range in price from $85,000 to $125,000 ).
The machines that were being supplied to these businesses were cheap Asian units. Richard Beddie knew this and still supported and promoted it.
This is the face of Fitness N.Z. for me. Greed over commitment.
Despite the fact I agree with what they are saying, it should be noted that Fitness N.Z. is the organization that supported, promoted and even gave " preferred supplier" awards to companies selling cheap Chinese vibration machines. Using studies off other much better quality products. They received multiple complaints over various issues, but surprisingly not one was investigated properly. The reason why ?
Maybe the fact one of their own board members was selling the equipment is a good hint.
Now Fitness N.Z. and Richard Beddie has the cheek to speak about ethics ????
Mike Hair, Di Heap and others can confirm complaints were laid, but they refused to interview any of us. Or look at the evidence.
Di Heap
Posted On:2010-07-20 13:27:08
Hi Demon
I work for Vibra-Train (mostly mornings) and have a lot of female customers but also men and they do say, Wow, how much strength and other benefits they gain.
We have a form that new customers fill in telling us their details and about any health or injury problems they have.It has a disclaimer that they sign.It depends on the country you are in if this is essential but it’s standard practise in fitness studios here.
About, 10 years time and finding that Vibration Training might be harmful – that’s almost impossible as it’s been commercially viable for ten years now and been around in one form or another for 100 years (read some of the articles on this site).We have customers who have been with us since the beginning BUT we are absolutely strict about maintaining perfect position on the machines and following the Vibra-Train Safety Program.They are NEVER allowed to vary from the allowed positions – not allowed to copy any position they see at another brand or studio.
Any small injuries customers get are from being “out of position” and that can be the fault of the Instructor (there is no excuse for this!) or regular customers who get lazy with the squat position – they can get sore knees.This quickly resolves with a few days off if needed and taking care to follow the step-by-step instructions of The Safety Program (http://www.vibra-train.com/exercises-bullet.htmlhttp://www.vibra-train.com/exercises-explained.html)
Demon
Posted On:2010-07-20 11:48:00
Hi everybody,
many thanks for your valuable comments, especially Dean.
I also expect that most of my clients will be women - and I like that fact :) - I was just thinking that bodybuilders could use it very well to tone up, lose fat and increase strength to be able to lift more and thus gain more... You know, I saw so many negative comments on WBV traning from people that *never actually tried it*, all that "this cannot work, lift some weights instead, bro..." that I'd love to see some of them in my studio saying "wow, that was tough ...let's do it again" ;-D
I'll keep you informed about my progress ;-}
BTW last question - do you request your new clients to sign some paper stating that they were informed about all known contradictions to WBV plus some general agreement that they exercise on their own risk? (just in case that in 10 years somebody will find out that these machine are in fact dangerous and your clients would like to sue you :o)
Di Heap
Posted On:2010-07-16 09:22:41
Lloyd Shaw is often asked about his personal Vibra-Train program.
But it is a complete lie to say the machine reaches 56Hz. No Pivotal unit in the world does that speed. It is false advertising and you should demand your money back.
These units in fact reach about 15 hz so divide that by the 28 settings. That means every "speed setting" actually represents approx 0.5 hz.
Just divide the settings by 2.
Note As long as consumers keep buying machines with zero research. These people will continue to make a living. Self education is the only way to shut them down.
