That is a real shame. Especially about the Wave section. Is there no chance that those posts are archived somewhere?

Hi Lloyd.  I have already ordered a pivotal machine before finding this website.  It hasnt arrived yet, but I am hoping you might tell me if I made a good purchase.  Have you had or heard of anyone elses experience with the Noblerex K1 Platinum.   I ordered it last week and it is expected to be delivered to me this friday and I am nervous that i may have made a bad investment

I've been pondering why the way the Wave club is is bothering me, and I think I have it figured out. I am used to shopping on places like Amazon, which usually offer a lot of product reviews. In fact, I first looked on there for a machine but they mostly had just cheaper models. But the online reviews by purchasers offer you some positive feedback on your purchase, meaning there's someone out there who bought the same item and likes it. These same people might also give you some pointers on using the item to best advantage, or warn against some weak points it may have. It's a very good thing, IMO.

And then, I buy a Wave Contour Plus which machine has been out since 2009 IIRC, and it seems I can't even find one other owner of that model on the entire internet. In fact, I have only MikeP here and my chiro IN TOTAL who are both Wave owners and only Mikep posts where I can see it... and he doesn't have a Contour Plus.

I have a long period to wait before I get anything positive in the way of feedback here; does anyone know what forum(s) all the Wave owners go to? Because it doesn't seem to be here, and I KNOW I can't be the only one who's bought one...

I'm on holiday but my passion for vibration training doesn't take a holiday - I spent an hour today talking with a guy who was selling home fitness equipment at a mall in a city in Australia. He had a low speed pivotal machine for sale (it was an okay machine for home use as a fitness starter and for therapy/circulation).

This guy was using the machine he was selling - unlike some marketers we know - and he wanted more information on what results his machine could give, how to use it effectively, and on other machine types etc. We had an "education" session.  It could be said he should have known more about his products but he also sold other equipment and the vibration machine was fairly new. He'd already started finding out all he could. It was a really worthwhile time and to his credit this sales guy could easily see the difference in machine types and uses. I used the YouTube video of Lloyd Shaw's program to show the IVTRB Safety Program and actively showed how to adapt this to use with the pivotal machine.

We even talked about the high speed pivotals and their use for real training but seeing the "full body triceps dip" was the clincher - we now have one salesman wants a lineal machine with side vibrating handlebars (I tried not to push the brand I work with). I'm looking forward to welcoming David to the Vibra-Train, Auckland studio one day. I'm sure he went home tonight to talk to his wife about planning a holiday. 

The best thing - a salesman who can present the vibration platform he sells, with some real knowledge about it and who will send people with more questions to this and some other websites. He wont be claiming his machine can do everything.

Another slightly more advanced version of the "logical" guide I released ..... This is the kind of thing all personal trainers need to read. 

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/lloyd-shaw-s-pts-guide-to-vibration-training

Does the size of the vibration plate make a big difference for fitness and or therapy training.  For example...30 by 24 versus

27.5 by 13.

We took a look at the DKN XG10 and it apprears to be quite impressive, but it apprears there is a lot more assembly than the Wave machines.  Any input on this company......DKN  that we need to consider

Mike M

Thank you for the info on your chiro. I don’t think we will have time to do the 70 mile trek there and back…and we really want to get a machine ordered before this weekend is over. We are leaning toward the Wave but we are still looking at the Nitrofit and just beginning to look at the DNK that you mentioned. It will depend on the price we can get as we would prefer the Air Reflex if it would ship a lot quicker and they shave off that extra $500.

I will call Rochelle tomorrow - she indicated that I could talk to Jasper to ask a few questions about my husband’s use of the machine - since he has the spasticity problem in his legs and the bolts/screws still in his lower back.

Neither of us are heavy people, so we don’t need a platform that supports 300 plus pounds, but we do need one that won’t make his condition worse.

Again thanks for all your input.

Lloyd

Thank you too for your unbiased input about the Wave Club. Your comments make sense…things can get out of control sometimes on forums. I do think that their quoting that the Wave Club is a $600 value is a joke though. I found just as much info if not more on vibration.training.com and simply surfing the internet…all for free. I can understand their logic of trying to keep their training programs for their specific users…but if they surfed the internet and You Tube…they would see they don’t have anything proprietary on their videos…other than their machine of course. Truly, if I had not found your forum, I would not have given even the slightest consideration to the Wave machines…because their web site does not show enough. People want/need to see the machines in use - similar to how you demo on the You Tube. I can see how the Wave club could be good for new users that have not done a lot of research on the web.

With all that said…thanks again for all your time and efforts with helping those of us that need to be educated in vibration training. I am anxious for us to give it a try and see what benefits we gain from following your programs. And I promise, I won’t be one of the selfish people that don’t share after we get our machine!

My chiro is Dr. Scelfo who is right here in Winston off of NC 150. He is actually in a shopping center that includes a Food Lion etc. I mapped a route up there from Charlotte and it says it's about an hour and 20 minutes going on 85 and 52, a bit over 70 miles. His office is actually a bit south of Winston between that and Welcome, but it's a Winston-Salem address. He has two of the Pro Elite which is Wave's heaviest machine with the largest platform. I would call ahead though he's not too busy, usually.

Mike M

Sorry It took me so long to respond I was in the Mountains. I ordered my Wave and they ship out on Tues and Thursday I believe. I received mine in 8 days. I am in Arizona. I am telling you it is worth the wait and the money. I value Lloyds opinion and that is why I went with WAVE. You would not be sorry with the Air Reflex. To be honest I dont even use the club. I apply everything from this site. I know that I am going to get an unbiased and educated response from Lloyd and company.

MikeP, i was wondering - when you ordered your Aireflex, did it take them a month to ship it to you? What can you tell me about your experience as a Wave customer? How do you like the Wave Club so far?

I've just been given access to the Club, and so far, I find it a little disappointing. I was hoping there'd be a forum there where we could read about what other Wave users had found out, tips and so forth, and there isn't one.

Mike M

I am going to be in Charlotte in mid July for a few days...was your chiro anywhere near there....thanks for the hammer analogy..makes sense...when you see people on the pivitols...they are shaking all over...unlike the lineals

Patty, I just told her that another person I knew of had gotten the $4500 deal, then I started asking if a similar deal (discount) was available for the other machines, like Contour Plus and Contour. That's when she started offering around 10% off on most everything (actually $1550 for a Contour is a bit better than that). $3600 is the price I wound up paying for Contour Plus. And yes I think it is kind of steep and only went there on Lloyd's recommendation; he really seems to respect Wave and that gets my attention. There's not so many options available to us around here. You say you are in Tennessee? You might consider driving to NC, or at least looking on the locater and then Google Maps how far it is; western NC and Tennessee are not all that far apart. Might make a nice short day trip to try out a machine.

As I may have mentioned earlier, I had googled and found a place with $500 off the $4000 DKN XG10, which appears to be a nice machine too. I think its platform is a bit smaller than the Wave's though. But they do give the force rating in KN! So that's a good thing...

Lloyd has a video that shows I think a hammer jumping on one of his machines; you can't see it moving either until he puts it on there, and then it won't stay on.

Lloyd,

Yes, warranties are only as good as the companies that back them.  Re the amplitude on lineals...Wave is 1mm to 4mm ...is that considered good for a lineal...is the Wave Reflex a medium energy lineal

Mike M

One othe piece of info on Wave...warrianty is 1 year parts and labor and then 2nd year parts only....this seems a bit low for a unit that is supposed to be so well built...from the web site I thought it was a full 2 years.

Mike M

We were out of town over the weekend, so I didn’t get to connect with Rochelle at Wave until today. She only mentioned the long wait time on the Contour Plus due to the backorder on the touch screen that has been redesigned . She did not mention the 4 week wait for the Air Reflex machine. She said the actual wait on the Contour Plus might be as much as 10 weeks, since the screens are due in 7 weeks, and then they need to install and ship. She gave me access to the Wave Club…I agree with you…a bit of a disappointment. Not what I expected. I couldn’t even tell if the machine was actually turned on during the exercise demonstrations. There didn’t appear to be any movement of the platform in the demo’s. And, no customer forum for sharing.

Also, Rochelle told me they couldn’t offer the $4,500 price on the Air Reflex…but would sell the air at the $5000 special price that was offered over the weekend. Since we were originally trying to stay around $3000 for a machine, we are not sure that we want to go an extra $2000 on a machine we can’t demo before buying. Rochelle said they were losing money at the $4500 price - not sure I believe that!  She said the machines are manufactured in Canada. I asked her about a reference in TN that we might be able to contact…but she couldn’t offer anyone. She said they are waiting for contracts to be returned that would allow them to provide contacts in Tennessee. We will continue to ponder this over a bit more and perhaps look at other machines too.

I asked Rochelle about whether or not you could manually set the machine to a specific frequency and amplitude, instead of using the programs.  I was surprised that she did not know the answer and had to go look at the machine to give me the correct answer.  Hmmm made me wonder how experienced she was with the machine.  She said she didnt own one but had access to use one at work daily.

You mentioned that you finally got offered the $4500 price, how did that occur?

MikeP, i was wondering - when you ordered your Aireflex, did it take them a month to ship it to you? What can you tell me about your experience as a Wave customer? How do you like the Wave Club so far?

I've just been given access to the Club, and so far, I find it a little disappointing. I was hoping there'd be a forum there where we could read about what other Wave users had found out, tips and so forth, and there isn't one.

Hi Lloyd, i was wondering if you have had a chance to respond to my post of the 270511

Ok, I just got told by Rochelle that (unless I misunderstood) it takes 4 weeks to deliver ANY machine from Wave. So if I ordered a Contour or Aireflex today, it'll be 4 weeks to deliver. A contour Plus, that PLUS the 7+ weeks to get parts. So at least 11 weeks. What a bummer. That's a lot longer on that Crazy Fit than I had in mind...