There’s a new article up - http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/you-just-can-t-trust-anyone 

For those working in the Vibration Training/Therapy industry this shows the power of bad advertising.  For those wanting to buy a machine and needing information this is essential reading.

You are right LLoyd,I had an e-mail from Oscill8...................and guess what.......made in China ,but "of course,to their high spec"

Hmmmmm,the best evidence they suggest is it is quieter than their consumers have found in other models.

WHY DO YOU not help me here.......have you got any plans to oscillate.Genuine question.I am a trusting soul,but you have proved this is not necessarily ideal.England is full of arthritics,you could help us.......think on......

Oh dear.I shall rethink my strategy.This business is so fraught with doubts for those of us who just are not willing to be too easily led,and yet genuinely believe in these machines.I thank you so very much for your input ,really proves that you are a special person,and I do hope your success continues in huge bucket loads.I cannot imagine what traumas you have been through to get where you are.May I suggest that in your review section you name a few names of models.....as in their marketing descriptions they do not necessairly use the same language as you.This is what is so confusing for us simple folk.

Anyway ,on with my search.......

Thanks Lloyd.

Philippa

Not a bad unit for Therapy.

I think you will find it is made in China though and it may not actually go up to 30Hz.

http://www.oscill-8.com/index.htm

Lloyd,thank-you for your excellent advice.I am a bit loathe to invest in China,and have found this UK manufactured  machine.May I bother you to look at the link if you have time.It seems well manufactured.......but a lot more expensive than those on E-Bay.Should I stay well away,and opt for one of the countless cheaper ones available.Is it too powerful.I Maybe its just a huge scam too.Any thoughts from you or any other knowledgeable person,gratefully accepted.

I dont know if anyone can please advise me.....

I suffer from M.E.  that dreaded fatigue illness.Before its onset I was Miss Good Health.10 years later ,now ages 50 I have been diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis.I find concentrating difficult,so sorry I just cannot get to the bottom of which vibration motion is really better for me,and if I could be given any advice as to which product is worth investing in ,I would be immensely grateful.I am not wanting to train as a goal ,but to stimulate my immune system,and strenghthen joints etc.

Big hugs for any replies,and I live in England.

Philippa

Here’s a link to the first press release about the Effect of long term Vibration Training on visceral fat (for those who don’t want to pay for the study but want to know more about it)

www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-05/eaft-svp050709.php

Thanks for the obesity study link Di.  This should be a hot topic now.  The vibration training studio concept also should grow in popularity with time.  The obese and older folks are a huge market.  It is encouraging the mature population has been receptive to the vibration training studio concept and vibration training in general.

John Weatherly

Definitely attitude wise.  Many of our older customers put the youngsters to shame.  As you say the older clients just get on with it, many younger ones complain it hurts and come out of position as it its not their fault and try to sneak up in the squats when you are not looking.  Huge respect to the over 60s here, as you say they really stick at it.  Plus they often bring in biscuits for Mark which he likes. 

Why is it that the oldest customers are some of the most definite about position on the machines? I’m sure there’s a theory about this, somewhere?  They do whatever they are physically able to do, which is generally the whole program, in precise, perfect position and for the longest time periods that I will allow eg two minutes for some positions instead of one like other customers.

Does anyone else notice this in their studio?

Definitely show that Vibration Training on high force lineal machines gives strength and fitness no matter what age you are.  Those that really can’t hold the squat position have the advantage of side vibration handlebars on some of the machines.

Obesity Facts – The European Journal of Obesity – Vol 3 – issue in progress

Effect of Long-Term Whole Body Vibration Training on Visceral Adipose Tissue: A Preliminary Report   http://tinyurl.com/29nagfl

The journal contains an abstract plus link to full report on the study we reported on last year.

Aim: To determine the effect of whole body vibration (WBV), combined with caloric restriction, on weight, body composition and metabolic risk factors in overweight and obese adults.

A discussion point: A lady just came into the studio to try out our machines.  She said she had been a customer when Vibra-Train first started and she loved the benefits she was getting but stopped because she really disliked the roughness of the European machines we had back then.

After her first minute on the Vibra-Train level 2 (beginners) machine she said it felt so smooth and was easy.  I watched as she was taken through the program and laughed quietly when after the third position (3^rd minute) she was complaining at how hard it was.

She completed the program and said although it became very hard to hold position, the machine felt smooth, not jarring.  She’ll be back - she bought a concession card.

I’d like to hear from others who have tried different brands/types of machines and prefer one over another or just want to comment.

Of course you want to try it again ;-)

BUT can I suggest putting up a picture of a similarly attractive girl onto the wall, and then do your DKN workout.  I’m sure you’ll sweat just as soon as with the PowerPlate :-D

Which PP machine did you use and what sort of positions did you do – squats and other static poses only or did you do a dynamic workout? 

I can’t compare it to the DKN XG10 as I haven’t tried that but I’m sure someone will comment or compare the specs and performance.  On Vibra-Train machines the muscle “burn” in direct response positions can be very intense yet there’s no residual soreness, just pure muscle build.

Please come back and tell us after you try it again, sans hot pornstar, preferably :-D

Hi Demon

Cant comment on the porn star but if it gets you sweating  good on you.  I agree that the Powerplate  ceratinly the most recent one did feel much better that the older models and certainly better than the DKNs. The muscle fatigue is way more than the top DKN I tried.   I was really not impressed by the DKNs  they felt very low powered and did not really create much fatigue but perhaps the ones I tried were not up to standard, it was in a showroom type place.    Personally I think some of the Powerplate copies that sell for about 3000 pounds are a better bet than both these if thats the kind of thing youre going for.

On Sunday I gave PowerPlate a second chance, I wanted to try it one more time… I took one lesson in a small fitness studio and I really enjoyed it this time. Mostly because the trainer guiding me what to do was quite famous czech pornstar :-D  Seriously. She was so hot that I did not know where to look when she was showing me the poses, there is no place on her body where you can park your eyes and not feel like a pervert :-DD

But the machine itself also did really good. I currently use DKN XG10 every third day, but this was different, I started to sweat much sooner and my muscles hurt a lot more and longer. It is strange because when you step onto the platform, the vibrations seem to be weaker and softer than on XG10, where I usually use 45-50Hz (plus PP is more silent). It is true that I exercised a bit more on PP than I do on DKN but still…

I think I’ll try it one more time… and not only because of the girl 0:-}

Anybody here have the same experience from testing both PP and DKN?

Hi Philippa

Congrats on the video and the exposure.

Lloyd looking forward to that training video at last. Although training for some time now there is always that little niggle at the back of the mind "Am I doing it exactly right" especially as I have a friend training with me now who has knee problems from years of marathons.

Funny thing is, he is now running again without significant knee pain. This almost immediately after his first training session on the HG. Its all I can do to prevent him from training every day because of the excitement of the pain relief which he regards as miraculous.

His Doc says he might need a knee replacement in 5 years. Can vibration training reverse this.

Hey Lloyd. I have been following the blog and checking in from time to time. I am glad to see other individuals making their voice be known on the site. I also enjoyed your most recent articles. I am curious about one thing however and I am inquiring since I see the topic of CP and children coming up.

Why are you avoiding the recommendation to pivotal for these individuals. Clearly this type of platform offers the user a better ability to stand straight. In fact, protocols for children with neurological disease are being implemented with success in Cologne, Germany as well as Shriners Childrens Hospital in Canada. They are using the Galileo. I actually have pictures of a young boy with CP having his braces unlocked with the platform on and maintaining his knee position. From a neurological standpoint, the reciprocal motion has much better carryover into gait and functional movement patterns as well. I will also add that pelvic and hip motion is the frontal plane is a primary mechanism behind walking. This is reinforced with pivotal and not necessarily with Lineal.

I am not bashing you so please dont be offended. I  believe you have the  best intentions in mind with what you are doing, but to recommend children do massage on a lineal vs. functionally relevant training on a pivotal seems to be a bit odd to me. I know you have issues with Galileo and may not want to support them, but Hypervibe makes a solid platform. Why are they never mentioned on the site.

Phillipa ....Congrats on the television ad. You looked good...well spoken. Also nice to see a Vibratrain in motion.

Hi Dean

We are currently working with a child with cerebral palsy.  we have loaned the Bodyshaker to her and she uses it every day for massage.  She has really poor circulation in hands and feet and it has helped her.  Her parents have noticed other small changes too.  She is going to get fitted with a whole body suit soon which will act as a kind of corset and we are wondering whether this may allow her to do any standing positions as the suit will help maintain the correct aligment.  Her OT and physio are coming soon to look at the machine and see what they think so I will feed back. 

Spasticity

There some evidence that VT can help people with cerebral palsy-CP. Sine I opened VT studio, there are lots of parents of children with CP that are interested in this method of excercising, encouraged by reports lihe this

http://www.asbweb.org/html/regional/2008/seasb/abstracts/Otzel,%20Dana.pdf

So far I treated only one adult wit modified safety program with good initial results regarding reduced spasticity and increased mobility. The problem with CP children is that in severe cases they can not stand by themselves, let along be positioned in good pose on safety program.

Should I try just massage in the beginning. Is there specific frequency that some of you have expirience with, that give best results in such a task. Is there some modification of original poses that can be of use in children with CP.

Thanks

Could you give some specific examples where pivotal machines would be be a better choice for people please.  Pelvic floor muscles I know  and have read articles but would be good to have a few more examples.  Thanks

Tempting though. It is  a nightmare trying to position reporters who of course have other agendas than yours and are more concerned about camera angle and creating a good shot than staying in position which is I guess understandable for them.  We did actually bring in our own model, customer, for the shots to avoid this but hey.  Good to have the free publicity so we are very pleased. 

Yes I suppose beating the reporter on camera would not have been a good look.