Please read through the articles that cover your questions, or topic of conversation before posting, as understanding the basics give the community a better chance of helping you.Please Note: Most of the frequently asked questions we have had over the years have their own article already.
From a purely scientific point of view, 1 particular Fq should cause a better response. But I have seen no studies detailed enough to confirm this. Until then I think as long as the Fq is above 12hz and below 100 hz there should a be a positive response. I would say Fq of use would play a much larger part than actual Fq.
The contradictory studies you see I believe reflect just that.
I have found 43Hz to be a good overall setting to be used. Again results + comfort means you are more likely to stick with this form of training. Another bonus is that at 43hz, even on a Medium Energy Lineal machine, it will be creating some inertia. Enough to give limited training benefits.
For reliability and price try DKN or Wave. But remember you get what you pay for.
aj
Posted On:2010-04-13 20:51:17
I read those 2 articles previously which help explained the theory behind vibration training and increased bone density and muscular development but my question was more specific to the frequencies. I have come across numerous contradictory studies some stating that lower frequencies will cause a greater increase in bone density while others say it is higher frequencies that will cause a greater increase. With your background could you input
Is there a frequency that would combine both an increase in bone density and muscular devolopment instead of choosing one or the other
and sorry for asking this again but could you recommend a cost effective product that would help me in increasing my bone density and muscular development
I play college lacrosse and have had 2 bone related injuries in the past year that is why im interested in the bone density aspects of vibration training
Can I ask why you are worried about bone density at your age ?
Aj
Posted On:2010-04-13 18:20:23
Lloyd,
I have a few questions.
I have come across a few articles stating that certain frequences can increase bone density. Some articles stated that lower frequencies were used for increased bone density, while others stated that frequencies as high as 50 or 60 showed more increase in bone density. With your vast expierence in this field could you clear this up.
What frequency should be used to maximize muscular development
Is there frequency that would combine both an increase in bone density and muscular devolopment
I am a college student in the U.S. and as one can infer on a tight budget is there a product you could recommend for me if I was interested in increasing both bone density and muscular developement. I apologize if any of these questions have been previously asked.
thanks
Di Heap
Posted On:2010-04-12 20:56:02
Over the past week site moderators have removed comments that attacked my ability to work in the Vibration Training industry because I am not super slim and athletic looking. Actually I am very qualified, not only by learning from the best but because, for me, Vibration Training has been quite probably a life-saver.
I have replied to the (deleted) comments with an article on my website www.vibeplus.comI’d welcome my detractors to contact me but I think they are too cowardly to front up.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-04-12 13:57:38
If you see my new article on headaches http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/headaches-when-vibration-training-reasons-and-cures , I would say this falls into a "blood pressure increase" category. But for you your blood is entering an area but not draining as quickly. And because it is an area encased in bone this pressure will be felt as pain. Note: The heat and throbbing you mention also backs this up as the likely offender.
This may just be a naturally a-symmetrical blockage, with one artery ( http://www.merriam-webster.com/art/med/artery.htm see #1 ) being slightly smaller than the other side. Or it could be an unnatural blockage like plaque. Either way you have a small restriction there.
A couple of easy things to try .......
(1) You may want to make sure you are 100% relaxed in the upper body. Even just dropping your arms down to your side ( like a monkey ). I know it looks silly but it can teach you to not tense up your shoulders and neck.
(2) Blood thinners may work.
As you train harder and more anabolic-ally there may be an increase in testosterone. Enough to make your blood slightly thicker. Note: This will only happen with males.
Willie Nugent
Posted On:2010-04-11 22:48:41
Hi Lloyd,
Recently during my WBV training(Bodyshaker Junior) i have felt a strong throbbing pain in the right side of my upper neck/lower skull area half way between the centre of my neck and the back of my right ear.The pain was quite severe with a throbbing /pumping action.It seems to happen during the "superman" squat( Bodyshaker set at 40hz for 1 min) towards the last 20 seconds or so of the exercise/pose.It starts to ease off quickly after the exercise/pose is finished with the exception that the whole area of my neck and lower skull became quite hot which lasted for app. 1.5-2.0 hours. Any help/thought's would be much appreciated.
Thank's in advance.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-04-09 13:06:32
I write enough material so people do not get ripped off or get simple vibrations mixed up with Vibration Training. Hell its even explained in 16 words at the top of each page here......
3 Rules to remember
1. Any Vibration does not = Vibration Training
2. Light Vibration = Therapy
3. Heavy Vibration = Training
So if I come across a little rude when giving repeat advice to people who obviously cant be bothered to read my articles, then so be it.
And who is going to deal to me, you are not even man enough to put up your real name are you. So my advice is to keep your opinions to yourself until you grow some..
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-04-09 12:33:30
Kristen...
How would a vibrating belt make you lose weight ? If simple vibration made you lose weight all truck drivers would be skinny.
Frobon.... ( disgusting comment removed )
How desperate are you guys getting ? I must really be hurting your sales huh. Very good.
Kristen
Posted On:2010-04-09 11:58:47
Does anyone have any thoughts on that vibrating belt that goes round the waist. You used to see them 20-30 yrs ago here in the UK. Will this trim my waist fast
Gabriel
Posted On:2010-04-09 04:42:37
Thanks for the reply Lloyd. Any Vibra Trains in the US anytime soon ?
Have had no problems to date. Even though I was expecting a certain % not be be able to do Vibration Training for this very reason. I believe the accelerations are too fast and amplitudes too low to register and cause problems. The reason I say this, is I have had a report of someone using a Lineal system on 2-5 hz / 15mm and being effected for a week after.
Different Fqs for different muscles...?
I still have seen no evidence of this to date. EMG activity and acceleration may register activation, but not pressure within the muscle. Which I have found to be far more important than how fast the muscle moves.
Note; After 5 years of all my machines running at 43Hz, I would have seen a pattern of imbalance in body symmetry and composition. Instead I have seen the opposite. Peoples bodies becoming very athletic and balanced looking, from being a-symmetrical to start with.
Maurice (MO)
Posted On:2010-04-08 02:44:52
Lloyd, I just sent you an email with some interesting documents.
Gabriel
Posted On:2010-04-08 02:00:41
Thats an interesting video....kinda spooky. I thought perhaps peoples organs were exploding. Curious as to whether you have had anyone momentum getting a VibraTrain in the US.
Also, had two questions for you:
1)What are your thoughts on vestibular issues and vibration training? Obviously, this is not a contraindication, but certainly a question that comes up quite often in rehab….especially with geriatrics.I understand the importance of positioning and eliminating head “acceleration”, but those individuals with more “tension” throughout the connective tissue systems or more restricted joints (usually hand in hand) often have difficulty eliminating the vibration from their heads completely. I have had, for the most part, no issues so far so my concern grows less with each patient, but I am interested in what has been the case with your experiences overall at the studios.
2)In reviewing research, I have come across several people that suggest the most beneficial frequencies for an individual may differ because of the differences in the movement capabilities of their specific body (a reflection of muscle cross-section, pre-tension (tone), tensile strengths of fascia etc.). So, with that in mind, it is suggested that achieving resonance with the users body, will ultimately achieve the greatest effects. They suggest using accelerometers on the body parts being trained and matching the frequency of movement with that of the machine. Any comments on this?
I spoke with Mr Maurice Goulet this morning. And he informed the issues were of mechanical failure in the new Asian built machines. Talking to him it sounds like a repeat of the Power Plate story all over again. That combined with HyperGravity's mechanical issues it seems the poor U.S. market does not have many choices.
On a good note......
It would seem that Vibro-Gym has new backers so will continue to keep going. As long as they keep producing the Pro model. At least there is another reliable machine on the market.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-04-07 13:32:23
More light vibration therapy products that claim to increase athletic performance. Probably nice to wear for a neck massage, and it would stimulate the central nervous system. But I would be worried about over exposure.
Definitely limited to a therapy device, but then that is all they are mainly selling it as. Even though they do add in " gain strength " to the list, which is slightly misleading.
From the look at the recommended exercises, they are all basically massages. Massage does not cause any strength gains I am aware of. But at least some-one had their thinking cap on getting it off the ground and a more ergonomic shape.
Note... With the base looking quite light, the vibration must not be very energetic or it would walk.
John
Posted On:2010-04-06 01:49:36
I ran across a vibration therapy device I had not seen before. It uses a drum. Conditioning coaches with the Cleveland Browns and also Ohio State are helping promote it. See www.swissttp.com.
John Weatherly
Dean
Posted On:2010-04-06 00:09:27
Thanks a lot
I expect there will be more of those questions in next weeks and months.
PhilippaChurch
Posted On:2010-04-05 00:54:14
You can also do the programme onthe higher frequency till they get used to it.
PhilippaChurch
Posted On:2010-04-05 00:52:56
We have found that many headaches are solely caused by tension in the neck. As you say head position adjustment important but also making sure people drop their shoulders on relax neck in squats and really really are looking at knees in tricep, push up, pelvic etc. People often arrive in big rush and are still tense from work kids etc and carry that with them into the poses. For one a trip to the osteopath who manipulated her neck was an instant cure. For some we have found that not holding the handles can help and also on one occasion wrapping a yoga mat round the handle bars helped during basic and wide stance squat. It can be trial and error. One other thing is to do the exercise that triggers the headache most last.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-04-04 09:10:29
It is caused by an slight increase in blood pressure. Which raises above sitting resting BP for everybody. Some people are over-sensitive to this but only usually for those slightly overweight or new to exercise that induces fatigue.
It will disappear in most cases as soon as resting BP is reached again.
Remedy..... Disprin / aspirin or any other substance that thins the blood. Must be taken 10 mins prior to working out. Or they will get used to it naturally over time.
My next article will be on headaches and their cause.
Dean
Posted On:2010-04-04 04:29:53
Some of my customers develop a headache during vibration training. It is a transitory headache, and goes away right after training. I tried to adjust head position during poses, as well as some minor adjustments of the poses, but it doesnt help. For some of them it helps to reduce time of poses to a 30 seconds each, and then go over the program again.
Any suggestions are wellcome.
Thanks
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-04-03 11:35:10
I am amazed Vibra-Flex ( Galileo ) are still going. Their complete failure to communicate with the public directly on the differences between Premium Speed and Low Speed Pivotal has led to a disaster for them.
I always see our industry as the same as the car industry, it is the manufacturers responsibility to promote the advantages or warn the consumer about the limitations. You do not leave that task up to the salespeople, as even the car industry knows salespeople and marketing companies can not be trusted to be impartial and give full disclosure.
John
Posted On:2010-04-03 05:51:28
Thanks Lloyd. It is nice to know Gunnar reads this site. I looked at www.vibraflex.com and Gunnar is listed under users as having more than one Vibraflex. I bet Vibraflex loved Gunnar mentioning Power Plate in the magazine article.
John Weatherly
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-04-02 20:06:10
Well I sent an Email to Gunnar Peterson informing him of this site, and received a reply.
He says he is aware of our site and says there are different machine types available to him than on our review section. So that is an interesting development. At least we know he is not flying blind and understands the difference in machine types. It will be interesting to see what he does with this knowledge.
Vibra-Slim , one of the largest sellers of Low Speed Pivotal machines are already using his name to sell machines....
" Los Angeles based personal trainer Gunnar Peterson says, "If you look at them like a great addition, a great adjunct, a component to your fitness, I think you're going to get a lot out of it." Peterson says vibration machines are able to build muscle, strengthen bone, rehabilitate injuries, and help users get more out of their exercise routines."
If Gunnar does or did support Vibra-Flex ( Galileo ) hopefully he will understand how much damage Vibra-Slim has done to the Pivotal industry. And hopefully he supports our fight for the quality Lineal systems to be the norm in the U.S. If the Pivotal industry had had some help before by someone with influence, everyone would have won.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-04-02 17:19:50
I would say it is the only Lineal machine he has been in contact with. Not much market penetration for other brands, even the U.S. made ones.
The industry is so young over there, I can only hope influential people such as him do a better job than the European trainers.
John
Posted On:2010-04-02 11:22:40
I glanced at a recent issue of Muscle and Fitness at a grocery store. Gunnar Peterson, who trains celebrities in Beverly Hills, CA, says in the magazine that vibration training is the greatest exercise innnovation in many years. Gunnar plugs Power Plate in the magazine article. This seems odd because Gunnar endorses Vibraflex on their site and is not on the Power Plate site. Perhaps he uses both platforms. Or, another possibility could be Power Plate gave him a financial incentive to plug Power Plate. Regardless, it seems worded to equate vibration training with Power Plate in the article. Power Plate is the only company Gunnar is quoted as mentioning in the magazine
John Weatherly
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-04-02 11:06:47
No nothing missing....
(a) The machine does not cause constant pressure due its vibration, so it is weightless part of the time.
(b) I can only speak for what I use, but my isolators absorb over 95% of the force before it enters the floor. I would say most new machines would be on the same mark. I have had reports that the bigger DKN units feel "floaty" so I would say they are using very soft isolators.
Eg of real life situations of the force these things generate ........
Last year I was asked to give evidence in a case where a small home machine cracked a floor. And when I worked at Power Plate I was asked to fix a problem in an office building that was traveling 3 floors and moving someone's desk ( I fixed it with squash balls ) . Upstairs at my studio I had 2 tanning beds that were those "tardis" looking things with self contained changing rooms. They weighed over 500 kg each and the mezzanine floor upstairs took them fine. But you could not even put a Vibro-Gym Pro upstairs without the whole building coming down. You could hear and feel it the entire length of our building ( 100 meters ) .
Those figures I put out there can of course be off, and its always up for debate. But trust me the whole thing is quite deceptive. My warnings were meant so people do not underestimate them and get a nasty surprise.