Hi Demon

I’ll leave Lloyd to really guide you about machines.  I like Bodyshaker out of that list but I’m not familiar with the Junior model. It’s solid steel and made in Netherlands .  If you can find a VibroGym professional (re-sale) it’s a good machine

Thanks for your comments about DKN. Can you tell us about yourself?  Do you do other fitness training? Who else will use the machine?

I’m excited about the future for VibroGym and hoping it will be back soon.

Mmm, I have just found website selling BODYSHAKER JUNIOR for 3700 EUR, maybe that is the best option...

Hi everybody!

14 days ago I was going to buy PowerPlate My3 coz PP was for me the absolute top of WBV... ;-}
But I was not lazy and went to internet for some information and found all that hidden truth behind on a few discussion forums (like this one). It is really shocking how much lies and cheating is in this segment of fitness and how is everything changing quickly. The last drop was that after reading a lot of (older) posts where Lloyd recommends HyperGravity as a good product (and I was seriously thinking about buying one) I came here and it is already on Lloyd's Blacklist... :-DDD Really funny...

Anyway, I would like to ask politely your advice on buying WBV machine for family use but serious training, not only massage. These are the options that I have - I live in Prague, centre of Europe. {prices are in EUR}

1. Galileo Basic               3700
2. Galileo Advanced        5000
3. DKN GX5                       1300
4. DKN GX10                    2080
5. VibroGym Domestic    3150
6. FitVibe Smart                4000
7. FitVibe Excel                 6000

Is any of these High-Energy Lineal? (I guess the last one only?) I only have chance to test personally number 7 and I did number 4. DKN GX10 has very nice price, but I was testing it and it was a disappointment to be honest. It is louder than I thought and the effect was weak even on 50Hz... I was doing basic squat and talking to the dealer and after a while I noticed it is over two minutes and I felt almost nothing in my legs... Plus the platform "floats" when you move on it, it is not very stable.

Which machine do you think has the best price/performance ratio? For example FitVibe Smart is almost twice more expensive that DKN's "professional" model - does it mean it is really twice better?

Any personal experiences with listed machines will be very appreciated, thanks a lot.

BTW I see in the post below that VibroGym is bankrupt? I guess I should remove their model from the list... 8-O

As someone who was a customer and now works for Vibra-Train I’ve watched this industry for over 3 years.  I’ve seen leaders fail worldwide, whole brands cease to exist, and very many studios close including some Vibra-Train licensed ones where the owner’s motivation and expectation didn’t fit the realities of how it is. I’m not going to make excuses for anyone.

PowerPlate Int. have been bankrupt in Europe, relaunched via USA and basically, completely finished in N.Z. by court judgements against them.  Now even VibroGym is bankrupt which is sad as they have a good pro. machine.  The industry has worked  and is still working to force brands of low quality (especially pivotal Crazyfit type) machines to state honest specs and claims and not simply state all the benefits and studies done on high level lineal machines in their advertising.  There’s been so much achieved.

I’ve watched the “big names”, the “high flyers” and they’re all gone except for Lloyd Shaw.  His was the name that seemed knowledgeable but confrontational when I first researched on Internet yet he was the person I could approach personally and get all the answers I wanted and I found that his confrontational style was solely to ensure an effective, safe workout for me – the customer.  Now he’s still active, still moving forward, still serving his customers and the whole industry, and available to studio owners and individuals who call him at all hours of the day and night.  He is a “giver”, that’s something that detractors don’t understand.  Monetary rewards; we all want them, but Lloyd is one who puts this secondary to the big plan.  

It amuses me the amount of people that think if you own a company or run a business you must drive a flash car or live in a rich part of town...

Hey Lloyd and everyone. Do you know the news with Vibrogym and Bankruptcy. Heard through a friend overseas today. Thx

Thanks for the comments Lloyd and Mike.  I sent the abstract of the study to two academics and asked what they thought of this study just like I did here.  The academics have not answered me yet.  Maybe they will but I am not counting on it.

Thanks,

John Weatherly

Yea i realise they are academics, but with having a powerplate machine i would assume powerplate advised them on postures 

LMAO....Hey they look like really inteligent people.....NOT

Cant even do a basic squat, typicle powerplate cant even get the basics right

The abstract of a study titled The Influence of Posture on Transmission and Absorption of Vibration Energy in Whole Body Vibration Exercise by Bershin and Somer is at

www.nlm.nih.gov, click on PubMed, and use vibration exercise as search words.  It mentions damage to disks with poor posture.  Transmission of energy at the head was measured in different postural positions.  It says WBV in prone or sitting positions should be avoided.

I would be interested in comments about this study.

Thank you,

John T. Weatherly

Thanks Lloyd.

John Weatherly

A study by Bunker et al. in the March 10 JSCR showed warmup exercises on an iTonic wbv platform significantly increased power and flexibility in golfers under 45 years old while improving flexibility in golfers over 45 years old.  The abstract can be read at www.nlm.nih.gov, click on PubMed, and type in vibration exercise as search words.

I am curious as to where the iTonic platform fits in the machine categories Lloyd has.  I know he said Power Plate is a medium energy lineal unit and the vibrating Versaclimber is a low energy unit.

John Weatherly

Hi, Ive just spent several hours perusing this site and the vibrationtraining.net site. I am in awe of your knowledge and experience. Forgive me if I am asking something that has been previously covered. If so, please just point me in the right direction rather than taking valuable time to answer.

I am looking for a home vibration machine that is affordable--under 2000 USD. I am 43, weigh 128 lbs, exercise fairly regularly, eat small portions, but have a great need for cellulite reduction and body fat loss, as my body fat is approx 26 percent. I would like to get it down to 20 percent or under. I also know muscle building would help, so a machine that can provide that would be nice. I live in TX.

Can you recommend something for me. Is there even a machine under 2000 USD that can do these things. Sorry, question marks do not seem to work, neither do apostrophes.

Thank you, I really appreciate it.

I read that participants in PP's Power-Boxing class will do a series of exercises both on and off the machine. I know they add movement to some of their programs to compensate for the lack of actual vibration force but I'm struggling to get my head around throwing punches, twisting hips, head movement etc while the platform vibrates.

PowerPlate machines must be even less intense than I remember as there's no way you'd want customers to make any sudden, major movements on a Vibra-Train or a VibroGym - well not while the machine was turned on *laughs*. These machines are designed to be High Force Vertical Vibration Platforms, no additives needed!

 

Ive been to the doctor and she told me i have patellofemoral dysfunction so she has given me some other excuises to do as well as the vibra train

Lloyd, as usual, is correct.  It looks like Josh just copied stuff verbatim off the Dr. DeOrio site.  Dr. DeOrio claims to be a worldwide expert on WBV.  He is a physician in Santa Monica, CA. 

John Weatherly

Rachel  I would say that if anyone complains on knee pain it is almost always because they have dipped into the toes at time.  I always say to imagine youre wearing turkish slippers.  Although you donlt actually want to lift the toes right up to any real angle,  but imagining this helps you place more emphasis in the heels

Luntonat

Please read the articles here and you’ll learn lots about normal use of the machines;  

The Safety Program/Recommended Routine;  

Injuries and Rehab, which we have great success with;  

Diets - we say eating a meal an hour before or a banana immediately before training is essential  to raise your blood sugars sufficiently to work-out, and we suggest water during and after training, and a meal with protein after.  We’re not in the diet business but you’ll find tips and helps in some of the articles also.

Ensuring that vibration studio customers and buyers of home machines get what they are paying for, and the right machine and training for their needs is a very important part of what we do So there will always be detractors; for example, those who want to sell you any low quality machine they can as long as they make big dollars profit and those who set up studios on the reputation of high quality machines yet only offer low quality platforms that don’t perform as you’d expect them to = no results and throwing your money away.

Rachel, I’m wondering if you are transferring your weight onto your toes/front of feet as the timer counts down and the squat positions become harder to hold.  Make sure you keep even pressure through the heels and toes particularly keeping your heels down so your knees don’t drift forward.  Also make sure your feet are perfectly straight, hip width apart (that is lined up with your hip bones, not the outside of your hips) and your knees stay that same width apart lined up over your feet; don’t allow them to move inward.

All of this is the instructors job, making sure your position is perfect and you get the best from your Vibra-training but we don’t always notice subtle “cheats” i.e weight transferred onto toes, although it is totally our job to notice.  Please let the Instructor know and they will watch you even more carefully.  Read over the Safety Program instructions for your own info and make sure you are following the steps exactly as detailed. 

A few extra points: After you finish each position remain still for 5-10 seconds to allow fatigued muscles to recover before you step off the machine or get up off the floor, and make sure your movements are careful and deliberate (there’s more danger in stepping up onto and off the machines than actually using them).  And after your session walk carefully; don’t run to catch a bus or sprint upstairs; your leg muscles can remain a little fatigued for maybe 30 minutes (legs can feel like jelly and if your knees are your current “weak point” they can feel a little sore).  Drink water after your session and have a snack or meal with protein (milk, egg, salmon, tuna, chicken) within an hour.

Vibration Training is exercise and is hard work.  Many of us, instructors included, forget to rest and feed our bodies after training but, along with the actual training, this is the key to enhanced muscle growth and fitness.