Thanks for the reply Lloyd. Any Vibra Trains in the US anytime soon ?

Lloyd, I just sent you an email with some interesting documents.

Thats an interesting video....kinda spooky. I thought perhaps peoples organs were exploding. Curious as to whether you have had anyone momentum getting a VibraTrain in the US. 

Also, had two questions for you:

1)      What are your thoughts on vestibular issues and vibration training? Obviously, this is not a contraindication, but certainly a question that comes up quite often in rehab….especially with geriatrics.  I understand the importance of positioning and eliminating head “acceleration”, but those individuals with more “tension” throughout the connective tissue systems or more restricted joints (usually hand in hand) often have difficulty eliminating the vibration from their heads completely. I have had, for the most part, no issues so far so my concern grows less with each patient, but I am interested in what has been the case with your experiences overall  at the studios.  

2)      In reviewing research, I have come across several people that suggest the most beneficial frequencies for an individual may differ because of the differences in the movement capabilities of their specific body (a reflection of muscle cross-section, pre-tension (tone), tensile strengths of fascia etc.).  So, with that in mind, it is suggested that achieving resonance with the users body, will ultimately achieve the greatest effects. They suggest using accelerometers on the body parts being trained and matching the frequency of movement with that of the machine. Any comments on this?

I ran across a vibration therapy device I had not seen before.  It uses a drum.  Conditioning coaches with the Cleveland Browns and also Ohio State are helping promote it.  See www.swissttp.com.

John Weatherly

Thanks a lot

I expect there will be more of those questions in next weeks and months.

You can also do the programme onthe higher frequency till they get used to it. 

We have found that many headaches are solely caused by tension in the neck.    As you say head position adjustment important but also making sure people drop their shoulders on relax neck in squats and really really are looking at knees in tricep, push up, pelvic etc.   People often  arrive in big rush and are still tense from work kids etc and carry that with them into the poses.   For one a trip to the osteopath who manipulated her neck was an instant cure.  For some we have found that not holding the handles can help and also on one occasion wrapping a yoga mat round the handle bars helped during basic and wide stance squat.  It can be trial and error.  One other thing is to do the exercise that triggers the headache most last. 

Some of my customers develop a headache during vibration training. It is a transitory headache, and goes away right after  training. I tried to adjust head position during poses, as well as some minor adjustments of the poses, but it doesnt help. For some of them it helps to reduce time of poses to a 30 seconds each, and then go over the program again.

Any suggestions are wellcome.

Thanks

Thanks Lloyd.  It is nice to know Gunnar reads this site.  I looked at www.vibraflex.com and Gunnar is listed under users as having more than one Vibraflex.  I bet Vibraflex loved Gunnar mentioning Power Plate in the magazine article. 

John Weatherly

I glanced at a recent issue of Muscle and Fitness at a grocery store.  Gunnar Peterson, who trains celebrities in Beverly Hills, CA, says in the magazine that vibration training is the greatest exercise innnovation in many years.  Gunnar plugs Power Plate in the magazine article.  This seems odd because Gunnar endorses Vibraflex on their site and is not on the Power Plate site.  Perhaps he uses both platforms.  Or, another possibility could be Power Plate gave him a financial incentive to plug Power Plate.  Regardless, it seems worded to equate vibration training with Power Plate in the article.  Power Plate is the only company Gunnar is quoted as mentioning in the magazine

John Weatherly

Found on this site:
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"A typical home unit produces 3G of force . This means the object being moved becomes 3 times its own weight while being slung around by the vibration. A typical home unit weights about 60kg. So (3 x 60Kg = 180Kg). The unit running by itself is like a 180Kg person jumping up and down on your floor."
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Based on tests in the review below, the max force of DKN machine is 12G. So that would be ((60Kg+80Kg)*12)=1680Kg (when loaded) spread on area of 85cm*50cm. That would destroy the building, no ceiling is built to handle such pressure. Our IT company is in old industrial building and I know when we moved the server in, its weight of 600Kg was veeeery close to the limit that floors can handle.

http://www.vibrationtrainingdevice.com/XG10.htm

So there must be a mistake somewhere, but where...? :-}

Lloyd usually answers questions specific to machines but as he’s busy in the mortuary he asked me to reply.

Demon and Capekidnappers(Jackie)

Here’s a link to an article that explains about the levels and types of machines

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/machine-reviews

And another about Vibration Training machines – frequency and amplitude and more

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/the-big-secret-lineal-companies-do-not-want-you-to-know

Demon, for now, to have a high quality machine you have to pay top $’s for it.  Materials like solid steel and the quality motors are expensive but last almost forever without breakdowns. 

Lymphoedema is NOT only caused by an excess of fat cells ie..poor diet SAD etc.  It can also be a consequence  emanating from an horrific , long term mistreated and misdiagnosed iaccidental injury- oh to live in the USA where I would now be a multi-millionaire

And just in case you are wondering.. I am a forever 100 percent...LIVING RAW FOOD eater.

Agape, Jackie. New Zealand

I have a Ni-trac 7 at home  we have no Vibration training centre around where I live so have had to settle for second best. Is this one of the bad  guy machines..I note it was made in Taiwan and has a CE label on the bottom

Demon

The Pro is more powerful than the junior but the junior is also able to put muscles through some pain.  It feels similar to a vibrogym.  It is a great machine for the price I think.  But Pro has a bigger platform which is a plus.  But...   you will struggle to put either of these on a first floor.  Your neighbours below will hate you. 

Wow, 5 levels... Is there an article about this on this site? I am wondering which machines belong to which level and what defines those levels. Is it correct to say that with the same freq and amplitude it is the curve of 'force distribution' during one platform lift what separates good machines from bad machines? I mean, the more non-linear, the more "surprising" for body it is, the more muscles react?

BTW What makes these machines so expensive? Is there a chance that in the future with larger quantities produced even good machines will get cheaper?

Thanks folks  and thanks Dean, that is useful.  I hate to think that we would have caused it so glad to read that.

Lloyd, how many levels is there? Is Bodyshaker PRO different level than JUNIOR?

Dear Philippa
 
Lymphedema is just a symptom, not a disease. Clinically, we can divide it in two groups- transitory, and prolong.
Transitory lymphoedema can be caused by two things. Lack of physical activity, such is swelling of ankles during long flight, or long standing, which is resolved by light exercise, or elevation of extremities. Sudden increase of physical activity, such as long walking, running, or in our case VT - such edema is very short lasting, and usually resolves after minutes, rarely hours.
Prolong lymphedema is a sign of disease. It can last for days or months, and it doesn't resolve after physical activity or rest. Often it is caused by venous disorders, hart disease, or some other systematic diseases which involve changes on arterial or capillar blood vessels. In this conditions lymphatic system can not cope with that volume of liquid, so retention is in place, which we see as edema. Since lymphatic system is designed in such a way that lymphatic weasels collect fluid, than transport it to a nearest lymhatic node, and from that point through another vessel to next node, and all the way to the chest, where lympha is finally entering in to a blood stream, any obstruction on a node level can cause lymphoedema, and there is a long list of possible causes of that obstruction.
 
As you can see, VT can not cause prolong limphoedema, but can provoke it, if there is underlining disease, or condition previously undiagnosed, and with no simptoms. The same situation is with every intensive physical activity.