Mike M

Let me be the first to say that the Wave or any machine for that matter will not build cardio. I have trained in MMA for quite some time and had great cardio. I have been using only the wave and some TRX to test this out for 2 months. I must say that as far as my body and the way I look I am very pleased. Now, I went to train cardio...Cave man training... and I could tell that my cardio took a dip. One thing to be certain of is just because you see people with abs and a great build does not mean that they have great cardio. Anyone who says you will burn a ton of calories on the Wave...Using as example... either is lying or not very educated in the fitness field.

By the way, you would be better off paying the money for the Air Reflex. It is the same as the Elite but with a 4 inch smaller base and a dialed down screen. You will not be sorry. The contour however I think you would regret over time. That is just my opinion.

Wow. Well I have to say that the Wave Pro Elite (which the chiro has TWO of) is a very impressive machine. That said I am not sure it is all that. Here's why.

My chiro (who I know from before, and I must say, he is IMO a bit of a dodgy character, as are some chiros, but for all that, I suppose he's ok) set the machine to give me 15 minutes and the machine was set to high intensity oscillating up and down ranging from a low of 30 Hz to a high of 45 Hz. Mostly I did the partial squat pose as I think my upper body is a bit weak to be doing 60 second poses on this machine at first try. He told me it would burn 400-600 calories in the 15 minutes. I don't think so; it sure didn't feel like it. I never broke a sweat.

The first pose I held was the partial squat and I didn't have too hard a time holding it for more than 60 seconds. I do want to say that as it was oscillating up and down it was not as hard as, say, it would have been if it were instead set to 45 Hz and left there. 30 Hz felt much easier to me than 45. But 45 was not that bad. I also did a partial pushup and a plank and I stood on my toes to work my calf muscles. I also did some partial one legged squats. On all poses I was trying to rock about a bit to find the perfect, most intense angle to hit the muscle being worked harder. Figuring out what that angle is will be a work in progress, I imagine.

In a nutshell, I'd like one, but I'm still not certain I want one $4500 worth. The Pro Elite is a very elegant and handsome machine; not much to find wrong with it, with a very large platform.

The 6/12G rating (not KN! $()*%^!) is for the commercial Waves ONLY, I was told, as they are the only ones tested as yet; those are the Pro Elite and the Air Reflex. I have to wonder how much weaker could one expect the Contour and Contour Plus to be than that? These are all heavier than average machines after all (if that matters); the lightest one is 175 lbs.

Right now I am sort of leaning toward the Contour model. I know, I know, China etc. Plastic. But I see maybe 90% of the functionality of the Air Reflex at what, 40% the price? I don't know; still thinking about it...

Mike M

Please let me know what you think about the Wave after you get to experience it at the Chiro office.  We are still debating the investment due to the fact that we can not experience one before buying.

Looking forward to your review of the Wave.

Well folks, I have had a lucky break. I found out a local chiro has a Wave machine in his office right here in this town! Imagine that. So I am going over there in a couple hours to try it out. Once I've done that I should have a much better idea if this is something I want to invest in.

Hmm well I am a bit frustrated with the people at Wave giving me their stats in G's and not in KN force, since apparently G's are not that informative. I rather wish everyone would start talking in the same or comparable terminology so we can compare apples to apples. I am getting the idea from Lloyd that a heavier machine like his moving just a little (like 0.7mm) is better than a lighter machine moving a greater distance. Correct? So amplitude can actually be a bad thing, or it's at least better to be able to turn it down. Has anyone researched and found out what the relative effects are on, let's say, white muscle fibers of these different variables such as KN force, frequency, G forces, amplitude, and so on? If so what were the findings? I've seen some people claiming that 27 Hz speed as an optimum; what did they base that one on?

Sorry about that last message, it got pasted incorrectly.

I say, when they list a pivotal machine as running at 28 Hz, does that mean it pivots 28 times thus lifting each foot only 14 times? And lineal would be lifting both feet at one time, say 30 to 50 times? I recall seeing the accelerometer glued to one side of the platform, and then the article listed most of the pivotal frequencies as under 15 - was that just for the one side? So we should double the result they gave for the frequency on the pivotals? Or am I totally wrong?

How about these? I am not sure what amplitude they offer; it doesn't seem to say.

http://www.activeforever.com/p-26092-vibeplate-exercise-vibration-plate.aspx?cm_mmc=nt-_-exercise-equipment-_-vibeplate-exercise-vibration-plate-_-51906Patty  - our exchanges have been email. You have to be careful, one the email addresses on the website listed does not work. The other one, to a lady named Rochelle, does work. I have been conversing with her.

Lloyd,

Thank you for your advice and info on the Wave.  We are giving serious consideration to the machine now...due to my husbands condition...it would be worth the investment ...especially if we can get the special price.  I will be sure to tell Jasper that you recommended them.

I will let you know how it turns out...and once we get a WBV machine ...and we see how my husband responds to the therapy,  I will post his progress. 

I really appreciate your commitment to WBV and to keeping people in the industry honest....please keep doing what you are doing to help consumers.  Thanks again.

Lloyd,

My husband’s spasticity is very severe in his legs…also causes unusual lift and swing in his arms. I finally found some you-tube discussion about the Wave and some of the positive results they are seeing with patients with this type of problem. My question is - would my husband need to use the machine on the lower setting - such as massage - to help with his condition?  Also when you say he needs to reach complete fatique....is that higher frequency or staying on the platform for a longer time period

I see that one benefit of getting a Wave is that they offer lots of support after you purchase which would be very helpful in my husband’s case.

I could not really find any real demonstration of people using the Wave to exercise…but what little I could see…it did not seem that their bodies did not appear to vibrate as much as other do on other types of machines. Is this the case with the Wave?

Would you recommend the Wave Air Reflex…or do you think that is more machine than we need?

Also…is this machine more for therapy…or would it be good for fitness / exercise also?

Again…thank you for all your help.

Mike M - thank you for the tip on getting a discount from Wave. We are talking over the benefits of spending a bit more and getting the Wave Air Reflex - if we could get it for $4,500. Did they call you back with the offer…or was it by e-mail?

Thanks MikeP. I have since then gotten an offer from them same as you got. I am mulling it over. Really I did not want to sink $4500 in any machine. My idea was to spend not over $4000, and the less the better. After hearing about your deal, it was my fond hope that some similar discount on the Contour Plus could be had. Didn't know it was so popular, and backordered.

I am also trying to get some hard specs out of them. Did they ever tell you anything as regarding that? I want to know specs such as G ratings or KN or something that I can take and compare to other brands that are out there. I know there is more to it than that, but I am stuck in a location where I literally can't go and look at anything unless I get lucky and find another individual who bought one.

They tell me that there's an independent university study that's ongoing now but not yet published that measured the Wave unit as outputting 2-6G when on low and 6-12G when on high intensity. Did they tell you that? I am now trying to find out which "Wave unit" that was, since they are selling 4 different ones. I also asked which parts of the Contour are plastic (the
skirting) and where is it made (China). The others are from Canada, and they say the Contour will be also, soon. If the above G specs are only on one unit, I want to know what they are on ALL of them, before I decide what to buy. Seems like common sense to me.

MIke M

Yes they did tell me 5000.00. I decided to not take that as the answer that I wanted. I was calling about the Contour Plus as well. What I would suggest is that you tell them that you know a few people that got the Air Reflex for 4500 with free shipping. I would say that since you do not have the product that I want I wouldnt mind spending the 4500 for the step up. I look at it from a sales prospective 500 is not much to a company but to us little guys it is a considerable amount of money. Try again.

You will not be sorry with the product. It is an awesome machine. Remember this too, you get what you pay for with any product. Unless you get scammed into buying a powerplate. HaHa

I am feeling really stupid today. I am reading the Independent Vibration Test pdf file which lists 18 machines’ specs and I’m having trouble making sense of it. Can someone give me some equations that relate them to things I know from my physics courses that I have taken in the past, so that they make sense? Here’s what seems odd to me:

In the line where it lists the Hypervibe’s highest speed settings, it lists highest velocity as just over 1000 mm/sec, which is around 1 meter/sec. Now, I know that under 1G of acceleration an object accelerates at about 9.8 meters per second, per second.

So you see my problem with the numbers there, and not just for this machine, but all of them. How does a velocity of this small amount translate to almost 24 G of acceleration? What am I missing?

Hi MikeP, Lloyd, And also Patty you might be interested in this. I just got contacted by Wave who are giving me the prices they have currently. They are pretty much list as on their website, except for the Air Reflex. It appears you were given a really special deal MikeP, for $4500 as that is not available any longer as it is now $5000. The Pro Elite is down to $8000 and the rest are as listed, $3995 for the Contour Plus and $1800 for the Contour, with the kicker that the Plus is back ordered for 7 weeks. I consider that pretty much unavailable. So it's pay $5k for the Air Reflex or get the plastic $1800 model that only works at 45 Hz.

Lloyd, would a model that only does 45 Hz be a bad thing? How important is it to be able to change frequencies? I think I read somewhere you think the ideal range to be somewhere between 38 and 45, is that right? And your machines are set at 43? Also, would the Contour be a huge step down from the other models for training purposes? How can I tell this?

Given this news I think I may have to give Nitrofit and maybe even Hypervibe another, closer look see...

Lloyd,

One additional note and question, I have looked at the Wave Contour, but I believe this is lineal and not sure if it would suit my husbands condition...your input please

Lloyd,

First, thank you for your research and comments. I am interested in purchasing a WBV machine to satisfy two needs. My husband has a condition known as spastic paraplegia - a neurological disease that causes the muscles and tendons to tighten in the feet and legs. He has to use a walker for mobility. I on the other hand am in good health but would like the machine for weight loss (perhaps 10 lbs), weight control, increase bone density, and fight celulite. The three machines I am looking at are: Nitrofit Deluxe, HyperVibe, and the Noblerex K1. My budget is no more than $2,800 U.S.  Also I should  mention, hubby had lower spinal fusion three years ago.

All of these are pivotal...I am not sure if this is the best type for our needs...what do you suggest?  Are the machines I have listed "good" machines