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Apart from the obvious nastiness in your question, maybe learning to read would be a good idea so you know why Di Heap started Vibration Training and continues to do so. She started due to not being able to exercise normally because of injuries caused by 'traditional" exercise programs. ( Even while doing a personal trainers course.) She started off as a skeptic.
The most telling thing about Di Heaps condition is I have seen what happened when she stopped Vibration Training for only 3 weeks. The weight came on quickly. Without a doubt this has saved her life.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-03-24 13:00:08
This crazy question was put up last night, so was taken down immediately by another moderator. But I think it is important for the readers to see how desperate our detractors are now getting....
Joshin
On another site I just read that Mr Shaw was admitted to a mental institution in 2005-2006.
It states that he bit a policeman's lip off during a drink driving arrest .
All the transcripts for 1/2/2005 about the incident look real but not sure
Sorry but in 2005 - 2006 I was much too busy designing and building machines, putting up studios and taking Power Plate to court and kicking their ass. If I did it all from a padded cell I think I deserve a medal. I must confess though that I once bit the head off my GI Joe and glued it on backwards. So no-one could sneak up behind him. I thought it would make him a better marine. It didn't.
No folks it is not true, I think they will find it is either someone else, or someone just made it up. I found nothing on Google. But one thing I am sure of is they will not come back on to apologize or put up the supposed source.
PhilippaChurch
Posted On:2010-03-24 10:52:57
Logantrin
You are clearly getting confused with the Vibra-train staff. Di is a woman - you must be thinking of Big Bob who runs a studio in Christchurch. It sounds like you and he would get on well. I think he is easily confused too which is maybe why he chose Powerplates. Di is also very careful with money - she would never be so careless as to lose £50 which leads nicely onto the topic of losers... Now let me see...!
Di Heap
Posted On:2010-03-24 10:48:48
The comment below was deleted until approved by admin. Posted by Logantrid
"Hefty Heap
How can you advice people how to lose weight when you are a big bob also.
I've just seen a picture of you on the net and unless you have lost 50 pounds since then why should anyone take interest of what you have to say. "
My reply
Please read articles on this website before asking questions.This is covered here:
Interesting comment about Power Plate from Lloyd. I looked at the Power Plate site for the U.S. and see the Level 1 Course they supposedly are teaching to people uses AP and Mark Verstegen terminology for the course units. It does not list who the instructors are for these Level 1 courses which seems odd. I surmise that if anybody attending asks an intelligent question that it will not be answered. This has been my experience with Power Plate, Mark, and AP.
John Weatherly
PhilippaChurch
Posted On:2010-03-24 10:43:38
Hi Demon
Yes I have personal experience of Bodyshakers and no the company are not going bankrupt. If I were to buy a home machine it is the machine I would choose and would also be my next choice if I couldnt have Vibra trains. They are reliable. the company is honest and they are in my opinion the most powerful and also reasonable of the machines out there for sale. Everyone I know who has bought one for home or studio use has been really pleased. Im sorry you have not had a reply. I can see if I can get a respones for you if you would like. I know they shipped three out to Croatia recently so it is not a problem to ship to you.
I would agree with Mike these are not machines for anything above ground floor unless you own the whole house and it is detached and you are willing to invest in a lot of matting.
Di Heap
Posted On:2010-03-24 10:14:36
Post with untrue allegations removed.
MikeHair
Posted On:2010-03-24 07:34:37
Demon
This is not a get fit quick workout...15 years of nothing will not be turned around in 10 minutes, although the machines you have mentioned are good for alot of things, to many benifits to mention here, they will not help you build quality muscle. The only machine on the face of the planet that will do that is a vibratrain.
Speaking from experience of owning vibrogym pro for 3 years then moving UP to vibratrain machines i have started growing muscle again, my arms are bigger now from just vibratrain workouts than when i was lifting weights, All vibrgyms done in the muscle department was help to stay toned not build muscle, maybe Lloyd will explain why his machines build muscle and others dont, i havnt got time to go in2 it.
In saying all that the bodyshaker junior would be a good home machine, just not in a third floor apartment, sorry but in my experience unless you are on ground floor concrete with a mat dampening system you will piss every body off
Mike
Demon
Posted On:2010-03-24 01:02:48
Thanks, Philippa, do you have personal experience with Bodyshaker Junior? Are these machines too loud to be used in 3rd floor apartment? (I guess so) What I am looking for is a machine that can transform me from 15-years-not-really-exercising-person, not much fat but also almost *no* muscles, into a normal human being with some muscles and faster metabolism and can do it quite quickly...
BTW Isn’t it you who has the only studio with Lloyd’s machines in Europe? Can you compare with Bodyshaker? ;-D
BTW2 The problem with Bodyshaker company is that they do not answer my emails, I don’t understand why. I would - if I’d be asking warranty covered repair - but I am actually trying only to buy the machine… ;-D Or are they also going to bankrupt
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-03-23 13:02:16
Industry news...
Remember when I discussed Power Plate and their big meeting last year. Where Mark Minter and Co were told to save the company by a certain date or else ( Mark has since gone ). Well it would seem "or else" is about to happen. Living the high life and not paying your bills soon catches up to you and the whole problem is about to bottleneck in India.
My guess is to keep going they might revert to selling someone else's machine, probably cheaper and nastier than what they already push, or maybe just downsizing to the home market. It will be interesting to see if they even try to save the brand or just abandon it like rats.. Either way its a shame that company never had any real leadership, just vampires wanting to suck what they could out of the "promise" of Vibration Training, but never really willing to offer it.
The perfect marketing scam, sell an idea but never deliver.
PhilippaChurch
Posted On:2010-03-23 10:21:30
The Junior Bodyshaker packs a real punch and will certainly be better than any of those models below.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-03-22 15:32:39
Body-Shaker is the company to deal with. They sell a very under-rated home unit that does the business.
Tell Martin we sent you.
PS Nice to see someone doing their homework.
Di Heap
Posted On:2010-03-22 14:49:56
Hi Demon
I’ll leave Lloyd to really guide you about machines.I like Bodyshaker out of that list but I’m not familiar with the Junior model. It’s solid steel and made in Netherlands . If you can find a VibroGym professional (re-sale) it’s a good machine
Thanks for your comments about DKN. Can you tell us about yourself? Do you do other fitness training? Who else will use the machine?
I’m excited about the future for VibroGym and hoping it will be back soon.
Demon
Posted On:2010-03-22 14:10:40
Mmm, I have just found website selling BODYSHAKER JUNIOR for 3700 EUR, maybe that is the best option...
Demon
Posted On:2010-03-22 12:34:49
Hi everybody!
14 days ago I was going to buy PowerPlate My3 coz PP was for me the absolute top of WBV... ;-}
But I was not lazy and went to internet for some information and found all that hidden truth behind on a few discussion forums (like this one). It is really shocking how much lies and cheating is in this segment of fitness and how is everything changing quickly. The last drop was that after reading a lot of (older) posts where Lloyd recommends HyperGravity as a good product (and I was seriously thinking about buying one) I came here and it is already on Lloyd's Blacklist... :-DDD Really funny...
Anyway, I would like to ask politely your advice on buying WBV machine for family use but serious training, not only massage. These are the options that I have - I live in Prague, centre of Europe. {prices are in EUR}
Is any of these High-Energy Lineal? (I guess the last one only?) I only have chance to test personally number 7 and I did number 4. DKN GX10 has very nice price, but I was testing it and it was a disappointment to be honest. It is louder than I thought and the effect was weak even on 50Hz... I was doing basic squat and talking to the dealer and after a while I noticed it is over two minutes and I felt almost nothing in my legs... Plus the platform "floats" when you move on it, it is not very stable.
Which machine do you think has the best price/performance ratio? For example FitVibe Smart is almost twice more expensive that DKN's "professional" model - does it mean it is really twice better?
Any personal experiences with listed machines will be very appreciated, thanks a lot.
BTW I see in the post below that VibroGym is bankrupt? I guess I should remove their model from the list... 8-O
Di Heap
Posted On:2010-03-22 10:55:02
As someone who was a customer and now works for Vibra-Train I’ve watched this industry for over 3 years.I’ve seen leaders fail worldwide, whole brands cease to exist, and very many studios close including some Vibra-Train licensed ones where the owner’s motivation and expectation didn’t fit the realities of how it is. I’m not going to make excuses for anyone.
PowerPlate Int. have been bankrupt in Europe, relaunched via USA and basically, completely finished in N.Z. by court judgements against them. Now even VibroGym is bankrupt which is sad as they have a good pro. machine.The industry has worked and is still working to force brands of low quality (especially pivotal Crazyfit type) machines to state honest specs and claims and not simply state all the benefits and studies done on high level lineal machines in their advertising.There’s been so much achieved.
I’ve watched the “big names”, the “high flyers” and they’re all gone except for Lloyd Shaw.His was the name that seemed knowledgeable but confrontational when I first researched on Internet yet he was the person I could approach personally and get all the answers I wanted and I found that his confrontational style was solely to ensure an effective, safe workout for me – the customer.Now he’s still active, still moving forward, still serving his customers and the whole industry, and available to studio owners and individuals who call him at all hours of the day and night. He is a “giver”, that’s something that detractors don’t understand.Monetary rewards; we all want them, but Lloyd is one who puts this secondary to the big plan.
Mike Hair
Posted On:2010-03-21 17:36:44
It amuses me the amount of people that think if you own a company or run a business you must drive a flash car or live in a rich part of town...
A lot of my customers own their own company, and if there is one pattern i see it is that they worked hard for 10 years before they started to reward themselves, some times only one partner worked the business while the other partner worked a job just to get a head..
People that think owning a business affords you a luxury lifestyle from day one obviously have their heads in the clouds or up something else!!! (unless you buy a McD's franchise) But then again you would already have to be wealthy to afford that.
Part of the process of being successful, whether financially or not, is doing the hard yards and building character along the way, something the high flying corporate model has neglected to follow.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-03-21 14:04:12
This is an answer to a post I deleted yesterday, basically because it was abusive. But it did bring up a couple of interesting perceptions.
(1) It asked why I have not sold thousands of machines like some companies.
Well for a start I do not retail machines at all. I have only had to build a few hundred commercial machines to date, and unlike other companies who sell cheaper units, all mine are still working. I am quite happy with the quality Vs quantity path I have taken. Remember I was Power Plates Product Manager, I could have used my skills to take a short cut and rip off the consumer, but I CHOOSE not to.
(2) I was asked why I only had 5 different models.
That is an easy one, so far my standard Level 2 Bullet has no competition in the market place. Neither has my Standard Vibra-Train, it is still the only machine with Vibration Handle Bars. We are the only company that has developed and released this technology successfully without having to compromise. It is completely pointless me releasing newer models with the competition being so far behind.
(3) I was asked why I am not leading the high life like my competition.
Well I would have to say what competition are we discussing here ? All the big companies are owned by shareholders and all the top CEOs and educators I was up against for the last few years, and the ones that were living it up large, all got fired. The shareholders were not happy with the "too many chiefs and not enough Indians" mentality of the lazy marketers that was running the show. They are not leading the high life at all now, they are looking for jobs. I know one top executive who had to sell his prized car to try and save his house. And he still lost it.
Me..... I brought and paid off 2 work vehicles and gave away my Nissan Skyline GTS manual to a family who needed a new car, but could not afford it. I borrowed nothing to form the company and have put every cent back in. I have taken no holidays since I started and the end result is I own my company, I did not have to sell shares to keep it afloat and I do not have to take orders from accountants and marketers.
(4) I was asked why, if I am so successful at Vibration Training, do I still do mortuary work.
Obviously asked by someone who is not passionate about their own professional skills. I am a mortician and always will be one. It is not just something I do, it is part of who I am. I believe the knowledge curve I am on will continue as long as I continue to work hard. And every day puts me one step further ahead of my slack, bloated and lazy competition.
End note: I am constantly surprised at how some people view the world around them. It is almost like they believe all the plastic fantastic marketing hype that makes up 90% of the BS we get feed every day. That as long as you are living "flash" with "bling" you must be doing something right.
Calling that notion shallow does not give it justice. It is I believe a lack of IQ . These are the same people who like CGI over a good story line in a movie. The same people who look up to others with money, no matter how they made it.
Their low IQ means they could never understand the choices other people make to change the world, not just their bank accounts. Instant gratification is the only thing they understand.
" Even a Monkey can understand the value of a Banana, but not the value of planting the tree " Lloyd Shaw
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-03-20 14:43:43
Deb ...
Yes heard last week. Kevin Barclay-Webb has been eyeing up to take over Vibro-Gym for a while, so hopefully this is his chance.
Marcel ran on fear which never works out well. Especially when going up against a market so full of dishonest individuals and companies.
It will be a shame if it cant be relaunched, as they produced a good Pro unit.
DebPelletier
Posted On:2010-03-20 08:25:50
Hey Lloyd and everyone. Do you know the news with Vibrogym and Bankruptcy. Heard through a friend overseas today. Thx
John
Posted On:2010-03-19 10:23:19
Thanks for the comments Lloyd and Mike. I sent the abstract of the study to two academics and asked what they thought of this study just like I did here. The academics have not answered me yet. Maybe they will but I am not counting on it.
Thanks,
John Weatherly
MikeHair
Posted On:2010-03-19 09:35:25
Yea i realise they are academics, but with having a powerplate machine i would assume powerplate advised them on postures
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-03-18 21:58:28
They are not Power Plate people, even though that might explain their lack of knowledge. That is an old photo.
No they are just more academics that should not be allowed near these machines without supervision.
MikeHair
Posted On:2010-03-18 20:59:11
LMAO....Hey they look like really inteligent people.....NOT
Cant even do a basic squat, typicle powerplate cant even get the basics right
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-03-18 14:31:33
To back up my statement, and to make the researches one about safe postures seem even more ridiculous. Here is another study they did, this time on a Lineal machine.
I do not even know why they do these repeat studies. ISO 2631 already covers at risk postures, sitting upright, standing, and exposure limits. Transmission levels have already been recorded at different points in the body using accelerometers . There is no reason for these older results to change unless someone has change the human body and not told us. There was zero reason or theories to believe previous tests were inaccurate and needed to be repeated.
Sounds like just another academic wasting resources on basically plagiarized old ideas and not moving the science forward one inch.
Here are a few major issues I have with this exact study........
(1) "They were exposed to a whole body vibration load in bipedal standing at a vibration frequency of 25 Hz."
What type of machine is Bi-Pedal ? We can only assume they mean Pivotal due to the term and the 25hz setting. No-one in the industry or any consumer could identify with the term Bi-Pedal. Pivotal or even Oscillating would have done. So why not just use a already identifiable term.
I have managed to confirm the machine was a Galileo
(2) " Using these platforms there is no consideration to posture although the damage potential of vibration stress i. e. on intervertebral discs is well-known "
How much research did they do for this outstanding statement. I would say NONE . All the top Pivotal companies are very fussy about posture. And the disc damage they refer to being "well known" only came from Lineal vibrations applied long term in occupational safety tests. ( ISO 2631. ) How could they get that mixed up ?
The above two points alone show me they lack any general knowledge or even enough intelligence to comment on this science.
John
Posted On:2010-03-18 05:14:50
The abstract of a study titled The Influence of Posture on Transmission and Absorption of Vibration Energy in Whole Body Vibration Exercise by Bershin and Somer is at
www.nlm.nih.gov, click on PubMed, and use vibration exercise as search words. It mentions damage to disks with poor posture. Transmission of energy at the head was measured in different postural positions. It says WBV in prone or sitting positions should be avoided.
I would be interested in comments about this study.
Thank you,
John T. Weatherly
John
Posted On:2010-03-18 05:01:09
Thanks Lloyd.
John Weatherly
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-03-16 12:14:59
We have a few iTonics in N.Z. They are a Medium energy Lineal platform.
More of an arty design than most machines so not very practical.
John
Posted On:2010-03-16 04:52:14
A study by Bunker et al. in the March 10 JSCR showed warmup exercises on an iTonic wbv platform significantly increased power and flexibility in golfers under 45 years old while improving flexibility in golfers over 45 years old. The abstract can be read at www.nlm.nih.gov, click on PubMed, and type in vibration exercise as search words.
I am curious as to where the iTonic platform fits in the machine categories Lloyd has. I know he said Power Plate is a medium energy lineal unit and the vibrating Versaclimber is a low energy unit.
