Philippa

Lymphoedema is retention of fluid in fat cells or the skin. Vibration Training can help by improving blood circulation and the muscle contractions around the fat cells help get things moving again.  (It’s always worth knowing the cause though but I’m presuming a person with this would have seen a doctor).  Do not place the affected part directly on the machine though and as always the client should drink water after training.

You asked if Vibration Training can cause this.  In a few new customers and those who come infrequently I’ve seen it in the wrist or forearm area as a localised swelling that can take around 20 minutes to settle.

Demon

In our studio we follow safety program, proposed by Lloyd. The problem with it is that it is only effective on hi energy lineal machines. That is why on low or medium energy machines you are required to do dynamic excercises, othervise wou would feel the vibration, but it would not be much of a training.

There are some hairdressers in my country also playing around with vibration plates, mostly Powerplates. The problem with them is that they do not undarstand even a basic physiology, so they promise results that can not be achieved with that technology. This situation proved to be good for our studio, because there are people interested in vibration training, bud disapointed with lack of results on previous attempts.

Sweting during the training on vibration plates in individual. Some of our customers swet a lot, but most of them do not swet, or swet just a little. You should train on hi energy lineal machine, only by safety program, 4 times a week during one month, and see the changes on your body. I was impresed only after a week, thanks to Phlippa.

Also, I advise you to try different machines. Perhaps a basic squat on every one of them. Even without any expirience, you will be able to tell the difference only after one minute.

Dean, do your clients need to exercise on Bodyshakers like they did on PowerPlates to get good results? Or simply keeping in the right position is enough?

BTW I found one hairdressing parlor in PRG having also DKN XG10 fot their clients. I wanted to test it without dealer watching me all the time. I asked the lady how do they have it with showers, when clients get sweaty on the machine... she told me they don't have showers there, because their (female) clients *don't get sweaty on the machine* 8-O

What is the purpose of such machine then???

I did a search on PubMed and nothing came up Philippa.  I have seen anecdotal  information on this.  On another note, there was an interesting study out of France on basketball players and a month of WBV in addition to normal basketball training which showed increased isometric  knee extensor strength and squat jump performance with a thrice weeks WBV protocol lasting 20 minutes.  The study was in the March 17 JSCR and is by Colson et al.  The abstract is at www.nlm.nih.gov, click on PubMed, and use vibration training as search words.

John Weatherly

Are there any articles about Lymphedema and vibration training . I remember reading one Im sure but cant seem to find it.  Are there any circumstances where VT might  cause this condition. 

The Fitvibe is nice looking machine, and there is use for it in therapy. But for training, I dont think so. I tryed it on last Medica fair in Dusseldorf, and I was not impressed, especially after expiriencing Vibra train, Vibrogym, and Bodyshakers.There has to be my post somwhere here, comparing some of machines displayed on that fair. 

With hi energy lineal machines there is always room for therapy, if one knows what to do, but with low or medium energy machines there is no room for training, at least that is my opinion.

There has been four weeks since I opened a studio in Croatia with Bodyshakers. We are allready overbooked, and most enthusiastic customers are those who previously tryed low or medium energy machines, such as Powerplate.

The previous post is for Demon who asked for a recommendation for a machine for serious training, not only massage.

English translation: they recommend FitVibe, Professional vibrating platform produced by the Belgian Gymn Uniphy, the company who produce for the market of medical equipment. He says FitVibe platforms are certified TUV certificate and are certified for medical operation, so there is guaranteed efficiency and use.  Price includes transportation, installation and coaching. FitVibe Smart series is designed for home use; there is a touch screen which displays pre-selected exercise program so it’s not necessary to learn about frequency and amplitude.

The post is the typical sales advertising wording used by FitVibe so it’s just marketing but it is one of the machines Demon said he was considering.

I have used a FitVibe Excel – the gym version with more force than the home machine.  I found it inferior to the high force machines that I’ve used, Vibra-Train, BodyShaker, and VibroGym and the pre-selected program with its picture display was more of a hindrance than a help for serious training.

A couple more studies showing positive benefits of vibration are at www.nlm.nih.gov, click on PubMed, and use vibration exercise as search words to read the abstracts.  Von Stengal et al. showed WBV reduced falls in a population of postmenopausal women.  Gusi et al. found vibration exercise to improve balance in patients with fibromyalgia.

John Weatherly

Zdravím,

pro nejlepší porovnání doporučuji vyzkoušet jednotlivé typy, zjistit trvanlivost, hlučnost, zjistit si další doplnkové služby, prostě nekupovat zajíce v pytly.

Cena Přístroju FITVIBE zahrnuje.. profesionální vibrační plošinu vyrobenou Belgickou společností Gymna Uniphy, výrobce pusobí na trhu zdravotnických zařízení přes cřtyřicet let, plošiny fitvibe jsou certifikovány TUV certifikátem a  jsou certifikovány pro zdravotnický provoz, tudíž je zde zaručena efektivita a bezbečnost použití. Dále cena zahrnuje dopravu, instalaci a zaškolení kvalifikovaným trenérem. Série Fitvibe Smart je určena pro domácí použití,je zde dotykový displej na ktery se zobrazuje předem navolený cvičební progam např. celulitida, neni třeba se tedy učit nejvhodnější nastavení frekvencí  a amplitudy. přeju štastnou volbu při výběru plošiny.

There are websites and books about “brain wave vibration”, about, so called, natural rhythm or “energy” concepts. This has no relation to Vibration Training Machines.

I get told by many customers how much better they feel after their vibration training session as it relieves stress and increases mental acuity through the effort of hard work and the hormonal responses involved.

I just read something on another forum  linking mental illness and  vibrations of the Brain

Hey Joshin how desperate are you or the company you represent to make up rumours like that. The fight against evil must be  working.

Logantrin

You are clearly getting confused with the Vibra-train staff.  Di is a woman - you must be thinking of Big Bob who runs a studio in Christchurch.  It sounds like you and he would get on well.   I think he is easily confused too which is maybe why he chose Powerplates.   Di is also very careful with money - she would never be so careless as to lose £50 which leads nicely onto  the topic of losers...  Now let me see...!

The comment below was deleted until approved by admin. Posted by Logantrid

"Hefty Heap

 How can you advice people how to lose weight when you are a big bob also.

I've just seen a picture of you on the net and unless you have lost 50 pounds since then why should anyone take interest of what you have to say. "

My reply

Please read articles on this website before asking questions.  This is covered here:

www.vibration-training-advice.com/vibration-training---not-just-about-looking-good

Interesting comment about Power Plate from Lloyd.  I looked at the Power Plate site for the U.S. and see the Level 1 Course they supposedly are teaching to people uses AP and Mark Verstegen terminology for the course units.  It does not list who the instructors are for these Level 1 courses which seems odd.  I surmise that if anybody attending asks an intelligent question that it will not be answered.  This has been my experience with Power Plate, Mark, and AP.

John Weatherly

Hi Demon

Yes I have personal experience of Bodyshakers  and no the company are not going bankrupt.  If I were to buy a home machine  it is the machine I would choose and would also be my next choice if I couldnt have Vibra trains.  They are reliable. the company is honest and they are in my opinion the most powerful and also reasonable of the machines out there for sale.  Everyone I know who has bought one for home or studio use has been really pleased.   Im sorry you have not had a reply.  I can see if I can get a respones for you if you would like.      I know they shipped three out to Croatia recently so it is not a problem to ship to you. 

I would agree with Mike  these are not machines for anything above  ground floor unless you own the whole house and it is detached and you are willing to invest in a lot of matting. 

Post with untrue allegations removed.  

Demon

This is not a get fit quick workout...15 years of nothing will not be turned around in 10 minutes, although the machines you have mentioned are good for alot of things, to many benifits to mention here, they will not help you build quality muscle. The only machine on the face of the planet that will do that is a vibratrain.

Speaking from experience of owning vibrogym pro for 3 years then moving UP to vibratrain machines i have started growing muscle again, my arms are bigger now from just vibratrain workouts than when i was lifting weights, All vibrgyms done in the muscle department was help to stay toned not build muscle, maybe Lloyd will explain why his machines build muscle and others dont, i havnt got time to go in2 it.

In saying all that the bodyshaker junior would be a good home machine, just not in a third floor apartment, sorry but in my experience unless you are on ground floor concrete with a mat dampening system you will piss every body off

Mike

Thanks, Philippa, do you have personal experience with Bodyshaker Junior? Are these machines too loud to be used in 3rd floor apartment? (I guess so) What I am looking for is a machine that can transform me from 15-years-not-really-exercising-person, not much fat but also almost *no* muscles, into a normal human being with some muscles and faster metabolism and can do it quite quickly...

BTW Isn’t it you who has the only studio with Lloyd’s machines in Europe? Can you compare with Bodyshaker? ;-D

BTW2 The problem with Bodyshaker company is that they do not answer my emails, I don’t understand why. I would - if I’d be asking warranty covered repair - but I am actually trying only to buy the machine… ;-D Or are they also going to bankrupt

The Junior Bodyshaker packs a real punch and will certainly be better than any of those models below.  

Hi Demon

I’ll leave Lloyd to really guide you about machines.  I like Bodyshaker out of that list but I’m not familiar with the Junior model. It’s solid steel and made in Netherlands .  If you can find a VibroGym professional (re-sale) it’s a good machine

Thanks for your comments about DKN. Can you tell us about yourself?  Do you do other fitness training? Who else will use the machine?

I’m excited about the future for VibroGym and hoping it will be back soon.

Mmm, I have just found website selling BODYSHAKER JUNIOR for 3700 EUR, maybe that is the best option...

Hi everybody!

14 days ago I was going to buy PowerPlate My3 coz PP was for me the absolute top of WBV... ;-}
But I was not lazy and went to internet for some information and found all that hidden truth behind on a few discussion forums (like this one). It is really shocking how much lies and cheating is in this segment of fitness and how is everything changing quickly. The last drop was that after reading a lot of (older) posts where Lloyd recommends HyperGravity as a good product (and I was seriously thinking about buying one) I came here and it is already on Lloyd's Blacklist... :-DDD Really funny...

Anyway, I would like to ask politely your advice on buying WBV machine for family use but serious training, not only massage. These are the options that I have - I live in Prague, centre of Europe. {prices are in EUR}

1. Galileo Basic               3700
2. Galileo Advanced        5000
3. DKN GX5                       1300
4. DKN GX10                    2080
5. VibroGym Domestic    3150
6. FitVibe Smart                4000
7. FitVibe Excel                 6000

Is any of these High-Energy Lineal? (I guess the last one only?) I only have chance to test personally number 7 and I did number 4. DKN GX10 has very nice price, but I was testing it and it was a disappointment to be honest. It is louder than I thought and the effect was weak even on 50Hz... I was doing basic squat and talking to the dealer and after a while I noticed it is over two minutes and I felt almost nothing in my legs... Plus the platform "floats" when you move on it, it is not very stable.

Which machine do you think has the best price/performance ratio? For example FitVibe Smart is almost twice more expensive that DKN's "professional" model - does it mean it is really twice better?

Any personal experiences with listed machines will be very appreciated, thanks a lot.

BTW I see in the post below that VibroGym is bankrupt? I guess I should remove their model from the list... 8-O

As someone who was a customer and now works for Vibra-Train I’ve watched this industry for over 3 years.  I’ve seen leaders fail worldwide, whole brands cease to exist, and very many studios close including some Vibra-Train licensed ones where the owner’s motivation and expectation didn’t fit the realities of how it is. I’m not going to make excuses for anyone.

PowerPlate Int. have been bankrupt in Europe, relaunched via USA and basically, completely finished in N.Z. by court judgements against them.  Now even VibroGym is bankrupt which is sad as they have a good pro. machine.  The industry has worked  and is still working to force brands of low quality (especially pivotal Crazyfit type) machines to state honest specs and claims and not simply state all the benefits and studies done on high level lineal machines in their advertising.  There’s been so much achieved.

I’ve watched the “big names”, the “high flyers” and they’re all gone except for Lloyd Shaw.  His was the name that seemed knowledgeable but confrontational when I first researched on Internet yet he was the person I could approach personally and get all the answers I wanted and I found that his confrontational style was solely to ensure an effective, safe workout for me – the customer.  Now he’s still active, still moving forward, still serving his customers and the whole industry, and available to studio owners and individuals who call him at all hours of the day and night.  He is a “giver”, that’s something that detractors don’t understand.  Monetary rewards; we all want them, but Lloyd is one who puts this secondary to the big plan.