Ive been to the doctor and she told me i have patellofemoral dysfunction so she has given me some other excuises to do as well as the vibra train

Lloyd, as usual, is correct.  It looks like Josh just copied stuff verbatim off the Dr. DeOrio site.  Dr. DeOrio claims to be a worldwide expert on WBV.  He is a physician in Santa Monica, CA. 

John Weatherly

Rachel  I would say that if anyone complains on knee pain it is almost always because they have dipped into the toes at time.  I always say to imagine youre wearing turkish slippers.  Although you donlt actually want to lift the toes right up to any real angle,  but imagining this helps you place more emphasis in the heels

Luntonat

Please read the articles here and you’ll learn lots about normal use of the machines;  

The Safety Program/Recommended Routine;  

Injuries and Rehab, which we have great success with;  

Diets - we say eating a meal an hour before or a banana immediately before training is essential  to raise your blood sugars sufficiently to work-out, and we suggest water during and after training, and a meal with protein after.  We’re not in the diet business but you’ll find tips and helps in some of the articles also.

Ensuring that vibration studio customers and buyers of home machines get what they are paying for, and the right machine and training for their needs is a very important part of what we do So there will always be detractors; for example, those who want to sell you any low quality machine they can as long as they make big dollars profit and those who set up studios on the reputation of high quality machines yet only offer low quality platforms that don’t perform as you’d expect them to = no results and throwing your money away.

Rachel, I’m wondering if you are transferring your weight onto your toes/front of feet as the timer counts down and the squat positions become harder to hold.  Make sure you keep even pressure through the heels and toes particularly keeping your heels down so your knees don’t drift forward.  Also make sure your feet are perfectly straight, hip width apart (that is lined up with your hip bones, not the outside of your hips) and your knees stay that same width apart lined up over your feet; don’t allow them to move inward.

All of this is the instructors job, making sure your position is perfect and you get the best from your Vibra-training but we don’t always notice subtle “cheats” i.e weight transferred onto toes, although it is totally our job to notice.  Please let the Instructor know and they will watch you even more carefully.  Read over the Safety Program instructions for your own info and make sure you are following the steps exactly as detailed. 

A few extra points: After you finish each position remain still for 5-10 seconds to allow fatigued muscles to recover before you step off the machine or get up off the floor, and make sure your movements are careful and deliberate (there’s more danger in stepping up onto and off the machines than actually using them).  And after your session walk carefully; don’t run to catch a bus or sprint upstairs; your leg muscles can remain a little fatigued for maybe 30 minutes (legs can feel like jelly and if your knees are your current “weak point” they can feel a little sore).  Drink water after your session and have a snack or meal with protein (milk, egg, salmon, tuna, chicken) within an hour.

Vibration Training is exercise and is hard work.  Many of us, instructors included, forget to rest and feed our bodies after training but, along with the actual training, this is the key to enhanced muscle growth and fitness.

I read the HG response to Philippa again.  I am laughing so hard I have tears.   They said

ONLY STAND ON A  2 MOTOR SYSTEM IF BEING SUPERVISED BY A PERSONAL TRAINER OR OTHER WBV EXPERT AS WOULD BE FOUND IN A COMMERCIAL FITNESS FACILITY.

John Weatherly

Thanks for sharing that Philippa.  At least HG answers which is more than I can say for people connected with Power Plate.  I mentioned previously on this forum about Dr. David Nieman being on the Power Plate Scientific Advisory Board.  Power Plate has listed Nieman on this Advisory Board for at least two years saying Dr. Nieman heads the Power Plate Research Center at Appalachian State.

After speaking with Dr. Jeff McBride last summer and this past January, I decided to contact Dr. Nieman about this.  Dr. McBride, a professor at Appalachian State with Nieman, said there was nothing going on with Power Plate at Appalachian State and  nothing planned for the future.  Well, I called Nieman, emailed Nieman, and he would not answer.  I had to go over his head to Dr. Paul Gaskill who is the head of the department at Appalachian State.  After approximately 5 weeks of Dr. Gaskill saying he was speaking with Drs. Nieman and McBride and the issue should be resolved shortly, I finally had Dr. Gaskill say it was a work in progress.  Gaskill said Dr. Nieman would be taking a Power Plate to the U of North Carolina this fall for a study.  Power Plate is still saying Dr. Nieman heads the Power Plate Research Center at Appalachian State.  This is peculiar because there is nothing going on with Power Plate at Appalachian State and Dr. Nieman is taking a Power Plate to the U of North Carolina for a study in the fall.   If there is a Power Plate Research Center headed by Dr. Nieman in existence, it must be at the U of North Carolina and not at Appalachian State.  Again, the DODGY Dr. Nieman would never answer me about this.

Speaking of DODGY, Mark Verstegen is also on the Power Plate Advisory Board.  Under the testimonials section, not where the Power Plate Advisory Board is listed, but where users give testimonials, Mark encourages people to do their due dilligence and investigate Power Plate.  I have tried to call Mark for two years and he will not call me back.  He even changed his phone extension at his company and is no longer listed in the directory, so I cannot even call and leave a message asking if he could call me back at his convenience.

So, two members of the Power Plate Scientific Advisory Board will DODGE questions about Power Plate.  Mark even encourages people to ask questions in his testimonial on the Power Plate site and then will not answer me for two years.  At least HG answered you Philippa.  I bet Power Plate will not answer any questions about two motors or about much of anything else.  Anybody connected with them seems to be DODGY.

John Weatherly

So am I right in thinking that although 2 motors working well will create a more powerful vibration but the risks of all the problems you mentioned is higher  as there is also a risk of destructive interference.  So one motor is a play it safe option.  Are single motors not likely to experience any of the problems you described. Do you know if the one motor for the Hypergravity elite professional is a new design, did they used to have two. 

Thanks

I need to write an article to really answer that question. Will do it today.

Just wondering if you would be able to give a bit of an explanation as to whether dual motors are always better in a lineal machine and why they are better if so.    E.g. Bodyshaker and Vibrogym have two motors  and Hypergravitys copy of these models has one bigger motor.  I would guess two motors create a more even vibration for one.  Thanks

Excellent job on the two most recent articles Lloyd. I think your explanation of the true differences between construction materials is simple to understand. You make it very clear why so many platforms have failed to perform, and therefore failed to help move the industry forward. I am sure the medicine ball analogy will be used by many,

It would seem that these same concepts of construction would apply to the pivotal industy as well. Although Murray at Hypervibe has quite convincingly demonstrated that the majority of pivotals fail to exceed 10 to 12 hz to begin with. If this were the case, the materials would be of little significance. Perhaps even with the proposed benefits of lower frequency vibration, the materials would have to still come into play as far as physiological responses go.

Any thoughts

Hi Willy

A good electrician with industrial experience will be able to do it without instructions.  Our fantastic electrician did, though these are not that easy to find.  Not sure if he wouldcome to you but give me a call and Ill give you his number. 

I enjoyed the recent article on blood and lymph flow.  I met a former Soviet scientist in 04 in LA and have one of his dissertations and other writings on vibration.  He mentioned a lot about circulation and used the term peripheral muscular hearts.  It was nice to see Lloyd or whoever wrote the article say the same thing.

John Weatherly

Hi Lloyd,

Hi Lloyd,

Lol, the first client to use the new frequency on the vibrogym is complaining that the workout is now harder...I have set them on 45hz

Wow, Lloyd just helped me modify my vibrogyms to run on 43hz instead of the normal 40hz and what a difference 3hz makes, really smooths the vibration out. This will help out with client retention. Thanks Lloyd your a true legend. 

Dear friends
I can see that discussion here is going in a wrong way. Would you be so kind to go back to vibration training? Let us leave personal attacks for e-mails, other forums, and anonymous phone calls, can we?

Just last Thursday I opened a brand new studio in Rijeka, Croatia. This is a first specialized studio for vibration training and therapy in my country, and it was crowdy on opening day. I want to thank all of you who helped me, either by comments on this site, or in some practical way, such Lloyd, Philippa, and Martin from Bodyshaker. Without you, your enthusiasm, and support I would never came this far.

Wish me luck


By the way, I noticed some of my first customers have some back pain during pelvic stability pose, or right after it, myself included. I tried to rotate my pelvis little bit inwards during the vibration. In this way i can feel strong contraction in my abdominal muscles, and less strain in my lower back. Other people with lower back problem feel the same. Did some of you had any similar problems? Do you think this solution is the right one?

Thanks
 

Mikhael et al. reviewed the literature on WBV effects on muscle and bone in older adults and pointed out how weak and poor many of the investigations have been.  The abstract can be read at www.nlm.nih.gov, click on PubMed, and use the search words vibration exercise.  It was published in the Feb 18, 2010 issue of the journal Maturitas.  Keep in mind these are researchers with doctorates conducting and publishing most all of these studies.  It really creates confusion when different equipment, protocols, etc. are used.

John Weatherly