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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-20 16:41:36
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MikeP...
All good. Just want everyone to have best experience they can with Vibration Training, through companies dedicated not just to the bottom line ( which never works out well for the consumer or industry long term )
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MikeP |
Posted On:2011-04-20 04:46:23
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I just want to say that I recently purchased a Power Plate my 5. I never really had a good feeling about the product and after plenty of research on here and discussion with Lloyd I decided to send it back.
I ended up purchasing a Wave Air Reflex product. It really is a different machine altogether. I could tell right away when I started on this one that the Power Plate was an inferior product. Not to mention I received a call from Dr. Sidhu and he was willing to go over the machine. I am not implying that you have to get a Wave but this is the kind of quality and customer service that I was looking for in a product. Not to mention it is all steel and not plastic and cheap like the PP. The rep at PP told me that the weight calibration is over rated and that you really do not lose energy.
Anyhow I just wanted to share my experience with everyone and say thanks to Lloyd and company for what they are doing.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-19 17:14:33
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No matter what the brand, all those machines come from the same factory ( exact same design that is, not all Pivotals ). And they all work within a 10% variance of each other.
According to Galileo anything over 18 hz seems to cause a profound muscular reaction. Unless you are an athlete going faster than 22Hz is just overdoing it in my opinion.
So having said that, go with a company you trust that sells that machine.
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closer |
Posted On:2011-04-19 15:02:19
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thanks for the quick answer folks...
lloyd shaw... thats the type of pivotal machine that we are looking for... the ones we tried like that had no head jarring at all... the others all were very uncomfortable....
had anyone had any experience with the Progression WBVMs ... they look very similar to the NitroFit units
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-19 11:01:58
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Closer....
For Pivotal I would recommend http://www.wholebodyvibration.net/ as a trusted company. T-Zone seems to be increasing its product quality over time and the newer units are running a few hz faster. But I do not trust T-Zone and would not give them my money.
Pivotal VS Lineal .... As long as your choice is personal and not pre-empted or influenced by marketers. Then that is always a good thing.
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John |
Posted On:2011-04-19 09:42:47
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Vibraflex, around five years ago when I briefly represented them in the U.S., was roughly 9000 to 11,900 US dollars. That is basically a Galileo with one motor. I do not think there is a better pivotal so this is top of the line and you can go down from there. They also had leasing options for people at that time.
John T. Weatherly
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closer |
Posted On:2011-04-19 08:18:27
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looking for answers out of Canada... or relating to available machines in Canada... but any advice will help
The more read the more I like about vibration training... and the more I get confused as to which machine I should purchase...
first of all we are not looking to bulk up... we are both over the half century, in pretty good shape, and under 150 lbs. we are looking at a machine that will help with some weight loss, toning and overall flexibility... I suffer from a bit of piriformis syndrome and think it would assist me there as well... the machine I believe that would be best suited to us would be the pivot type. I have been on both types and quite frankly the lineal ones actually do shake my head uncomfortably... no matter how flexed my knees are...
in Canada I have used the TZone 1500 and found it very comfortable... but they are a distance away for service... I have access to the Progression VT1000 but see that it is listed at this site as one of the low power pivotal machines... does anyone know if one is any better than than the other... and can you tell me why
what would a good premium pivotal machine be... and what should I expect to pay for one
please dont tell me I should be using a lineal... as I said... they wrack my head and are out of the equation
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Di Heap |
Posted On:2011-04-18 10:30:59
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The Australian Fitness and Health Expo in Sydney would be a great place for Vibra-Train to exhibit (when the time is right). Along with FitX it’s attended not only by athletes and the general public but by owners of fitness studios, gyms, beauty and health spas and more. Many visitors were in great shape from presumably many hours of weights at the gym – they’d love the look and power of the machines. There were others who looked like they didn’t exercise at all and Vibra-Train would be excellent for them; at a fitness show they were obviously looking for more than the giveaway protein drinks.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-16 12:31:54
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Who reviewed it, obviously no-one from the industry or anyone with any experience. From reading the review it seems the only experience the reviewer has was on a plastic machine from China called the Power Plate. Very weak and sold on fake specs.
Is this company trustworthy ....
Here is how you can tell. Ring up and ask if they will give you written confirmation the machine truly goes up to 30hz as advertised. Also ask if you get it independently tested and it fails, they will advertise in the same paper all previous buyers can get 100% money back.
Watch then run a mile.
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Geekerella |
Posted On:2011-04-16 11:35:58
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Hello, I live in the UK and I was thinking of getting a Reviber Plus which has been reviewed in a national newspaper and scored 5 stars out of a possible 5. Please could you tell me if this seems legitimate.
The specs are ... Dimensions 62cm x 50cm x 18cm height, Amplitude 12mm, Frequency 0 to 30 Hz
Rated Power 300W, Maximum Load 200kg, CE mark, motor guaranteed for 5 years and other parts for 2 years.
Thank you.
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MikeHair |
Posted On:2011-04-13 16:45:52
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I did tell her that. Trust me Lloyd i cant write on this forum the words i said,lol.
She even said he was just protecting his job....
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-13 16:33:21
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I would be much harsher, and just state....
" Your friend lied to you to protect his income and to not look stupid"
No trainer in N.Z. has any excuse for not trialing this technology.
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MikeHair |
Posted On:2011-04-13 15:10:37
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I really wish personal trainers (not all) would get their head out from up their Arse and do some research....
Just had a young woman come into my studio out of curiosity to try Vibra-Train, she told me her personal trainer friend
said too not waste her time as it wouldn’t do anything for her. Now this is a guy who has never tried Vibra-Train before.
He also said it would not be challenging enough. Well after the 4th minute she was stuffed! yawning and sweating and saying she
felt like she had just had a gym workout, and we aren't even half way through the programme. This woman is used to working out as well.
I told her to tell her friend to come have a go and do some fricken RESEARCH!!!
I hate it when people sit on there so called qualifications.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-13 14:53:37
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Yes funny how these people always have an ulterior sales / greed motive for their "warnings" .....................
Power Plate ( apparently only their machine will no explode your eyeballs.)
Juvent ( apparently only their machine is safe )
The only time I have given such a warning was when Power Plate said completely uncontrolled, untested vibration ( promoted as 3D vibration ) was a good thing to aim for in a product. They would not even release the X, Y , Z movement on their Chinese built plates. I still stand by that statement, that controlled vibration is the ONLY way to go.
I would dare any Physio or Vibration Training expert to say otherwise.
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Di Heap |
Posted On:2011-04-13 14:04:17
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Lloyd, you’ve quoted from a Pubmed article
“"Whole-body vibration training using single-frequency methods has been reported to improve bone mineral density. However, the intensities can exceed safe levels and have drawn unfavorable comments from subjects.”
Which seems to be saying that intensities can exceed safe levels
So just to clarify this it’s important to read on to the next statement that of the study -
“The stress levels were within the published levels during walking and stair-climbing and descending but below the stress levels during jogging.”
We have to ask who said the intensities could be unsafe – remember that was my biggest query when I started out as a customer –
It was Clinton Rubin who said this while marketing his own low intensity plate. The study proved him wrong!
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-12 23:36:18
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Note how this comment from the older article on this site, is in line with exactly what the new study says...
" Clearly your head receives far more impact while jogging than remaining static in a correct pose on a vibrating platform where you can’t even see a person’s head move. Even standing lock-legged on a platform, which is the worst pose to directly transfer all energy from the plate into the head, comes nowhere close to what we receive when running."
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Di Heap |
Posted On:2011-04-11 14:04:40
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FIVE YEARS OF VIBRATION TRAINING – Here’s the results
http://www.vibeplus.com/2011/04/08/results-of-vibration-training-lloyd-shaw-pics/
Each of the photos was taken impromptu – no special preparation or building up. No lighting or studio preparation and using a simple point and shoot camera.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-11 13:11:16
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IVTRB Lineal Program up on ....
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-07 19:05:56
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Very happy to report over 60% of our visits are now from the U.S.
Hot spots are CA, NY and Texas. Now CA and NY are easily explainable, as they have some awareness being created by sales based companies or Physios using Vibration Training
But the thing about Texas is, I have no idea why we are getting so much attention. It has been steadily climbing for the last 12 months. So any of you Texas people reading this, can you tell us how you got here.
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John |
Posted On:2011-04-02 02:46:27
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Thanks for fibromyalgia info and Johnny come lately info. It would be interesting to know if the Johnny come lately is a marketer or academic. Sometimes these people seem to be both marketers and academics.
John Weatherly
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-01 18:23:31
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Note this comment about a test done on Fibromyalgia sufferers ....
"Another interesting thing was that when given a choice, 10 out of 12 patients picked a vertical vibration machine compared to a pivotal vibration machine. Here we go again with the marketing department shouting that ‘vertical is better than pivotal for fibromyalgia!!!’. Remember, this is a preference. However, our experience shows that both types are beneficial."
Now this is NOT to say one system is better or safer than the other ( as other unethical companies will try to tell you ) . But think about this, the Fibro people were already in pain and not feeling well. If Lineal feels so horrible.
Why would they choose it ?
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-01 12:41:13
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If you are looking at buying on Ebay, and considering all the factors you discuss regarding your health, this is the type of unit that I would recommend ....
Take a good look at the design...
The stable side handle bars and frame will allow you to take some weight through your arms when you get to the level of bending at the knees. But for the first little while, you will only be doing the standard Standing Therapy Pose.
Note: Machines on Ebay are not always sold by reputable companies. So I can not talk about warranty issues etc...
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Michelle |
Posted On:2011-04-01 08:27:46
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Hello there,
As someone who is considering the purchase of a whole body vibration excerciser, I would be most grateful for your feedback.
Im a woman whos extremely deconditioned and who has quite a bit of weight to lose. At this stage i would not be able to do any squats or lunges on the machine, the most I would be able to do at this point is bend my knees a bit and balance on the machine. I am also hoping that at least standing on the machine will help with lymphatic drainage and reduce the swelling in my legs.
I have heard about senior citizens and other disabled and deconditioned folks using the machine with good results, but I would really appreciate a frank and honest answer here. Can an obese person obtain any strengthening and weight loss benefit from this machine or am I not a good candidate.
Also have you heard anything good or bad about the "iFit" whole body vibrator, its a triangular oscillation vibrator with a motor power of 1000 watts. Theyre selling the item on eBay and the auction listing has a ton of info but naturally that doesnt guarantee reputability. I can email you the link to the auction if you want.
Thanks in advance for your help...Im looking forward to beginning a healthier lifestyle but I dont want to get ripped off in the process.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-03-29 16:22:19
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No it is not advised.
It will probably always be a contra-indication because of the delicate nature of pregnancy. No-one would take the legal risk of actually promoting it.
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sally |
Posted On:2011-03-29 14:42:12
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Can you use Vibra Training if you are pregnant
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-03-27 20:34:44
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Why Vibra-Train exists.
This is what I deal with every week.
It was once acceptable for companies in past years to release machines that larger people could not use. We simply could not fight obesity with either marketing lies or toys. It was why I came down so hard on Power Plate when they sold a machine that dropped function at under the average persons weight. And not tell them.
Vibra-Trains and my sole purpose is to move the industry forward so we can help people who come looking for it..
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-03-27 12:11:58
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This from 2 different trades on TradeMe for second hand Power Plates...
" Purchased just over 2 years ago for $12,375 .
Has literally been used half a dozen times",
" It has only been used 10-15 times since I've had it (just over 2 years). "
You just try tearing a VibroGym , Body-Shaker or better out of someone's hands and see how long you keep your arm.
One of these things is not like the other : )
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-03-27 09:30:59
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The world is opening its eyes.
It would seem the word " Integrity " will have currency again soon.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-03-25 16:30:49
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Yes steel plates with I think some fibre-glass skirting.
They have a very good record to date.
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Mike |
Posted On:2011-03-25 15:56:01
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Thanks Lloyd,
I just want to be clear. So the Wave machines that are on the website are all steel except for the lowest model. I will be sending back my MY5 and getting the Wave Air Reflex. It is all steel construction and according to the site is rated commercial level. Thanks again for your input and advice.
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