The important issue as I see it is not to generalise!

There’s a huge difference between lineal and pivotal movement for a start. Then differing machine qualities, sizes and more.

 You can’t expect to do exactly the same program on every type, anymore than you can expect to be able to run on any surface – grass, mud, stones, coals, water (oh hold on a minute, there was this one man 2000 years ago *laughs* )

Cynthia.....

The bigger unit gives you better results. Mainly because the platform is bigger and you can do more. But you will get results with the smaller unit. Just more limited.

Lloyd, thanks again for your support.

And this one is cheaper. So, I will have my machine soon...

Lloyd, it have the same benefits than an expensive one?

So, for my personal use i need the Nitrofit personal ??.

Thanks again. Best regards

Cynthia

Our swimming champion, Sanja Jovanović, recently won several titles on last European Swimming short Course Championship, which held place in Eidhoven, Holland. Now, these are not the first European titles for this strong young lady, but they are special ones, I think.

Three months before this championship, she started to train again, after a long pause. Because of that pause, and some remaining health problems, her coach was worried about the way she is entering a full impact training. In consultation with myself, and my colleague who works in one of our vibration training studios, we combined vibration with swimming training.
The results were:
-Much shorter time needed to reach top level training than expected
-Avoidance of delayed muscle soreness
-Resolution of some of remaining health problems

So, is the role of vibration training in physical preparation of professional athletes  only warm up, recovery, and muscle strength gain? Not by far, judging at least by this example.

 

I enjoyed the recent article on Fake Experts and would like to share thoughts about researchers.  The International Society of Musculoskeletal and Neuronal Interactions published a review paper this year on recommendations for reporting vibration studies.  These recommendations include pilot studies on equipment to make sure the equipment operates according to what manufacturers claim BEFORE conducting a research study.  These seems so obvious you would have thought all these PhDs would do this as just a standard check as common sense.  Well, they did not do this.  The body of research literature on vibration has been contaminated because of this.

Ever since I have been corresponding with Lloyd, which has probably been around 5 years or more now, he has emphasized how different the various vibration plates can be.  Some are good, some bad, some do not perform as the manufacturer states, etc.  Well, the International Society of Musculoskeletal and Neuronal Interactions state vibration plates can perform differently with different loads or body weights, with movement or external resistance such as weights or cables, etc.  Lloyd has been saying this all along.

In the last year, a former mentor of mine, Dr. Mike Stone, who is also a former Head of Sport Physiology for the United States Olympic Committee, told me he and his colleagues had looked at Power Plate with different loads.  Power Plate lost a mm of amplitude with an 85 kg load and really bogged down at 100 Kg and above according to Stone.  Lloyd has been saying the same thing for years.

Several years ago, Dr. William Kraemer, who is Editor in Chief of JSCR, sent me a mesage saying he thought there was so much that could be done with vibration as an exercise modality.  Kraemer, in this message, mentioned a student he had who had done a study which he thought validated a particular vibration platform as a warmup modality for athletes.  Dr. Kraemer qualified his remarks in parenthesis saying I THINK.  So, Kraemer was not completely sure of this himself.   Now, people like Drs. Stone and Kraemer are individuals I respect.  Do not take this the wrong way.  In fact, I have tremendous respect for Dr. Stone and know him well.  The point is a large number of studies have been published in JSCR on vibration in the last few years and they are invalid according to the recommendations of the International Society of Musculoskeletal and Neuronal Interactions published earlier this year.  Dr. Kraemer, as Editor in Chief of JSCR, and his panel of associate editors who all have doctorates, missed the boat by allowing all these studies on vibration to be published in JSCR.  Other journals did the same thing as JSCR.  The research literature is contaminated.

Again, Lloyd has been saying this all along.  I think Lloyd is a REAL EXPERT.

John Weatherly

That old forum at http://www.diet-blog.com/05/good_vibrations.php makes very interesting reading.

It’s so easy to spot the marketers; Dan Fivey’s name comes up almost right away with links to the machines he wanted to sell but with no involvement in answering basic questions. 

Some things don’t change – some people don’t change

In contrast Lloyd was giving out free info back then just as he does now – to people on the other side of the world who have no access to his brand of machines.

I've been away for 4 days and so much has happened!  CONGRATULATIONS DEAN!  It's great to see people who are keen to use the technology in a positive way do well - restores my faith!  May this be the start of Croatian Dean Domination!

I  was also wondering how people thought the Bodyshaker Pro compares to the Vibrogym Pro.  In my opinionn, having tried both, although not side by side, the BodyShaker Pro is a bit more powerful.  Seeing as these are perhaps 2 of the few higher energy steel machines available it's good to have  a comparison. 

Am really disappointed if the Vibrationtraining.net site has continued to steal articles.  Surely  crediting sources and references is one of the corner stones of true academia?

And... we would be realy happy to go through the safety programme with anybody who has bought a home machine.

Good news from Croatia

I'm happy to inform you that second vibration studio equipped with Bodyshakers, and powered with Lloyds safety program was opened yesterday in Croatia, under a name of  Dobre vibracije (Good vibrations for those of you, not so good with Croatian language :)

More information about project „Dobre vibracije“ you can find on : http://www.dobrevibracije.hr/#

The first studio was opened in March, this year, and it displayed very quickly how important is to have a good machine, and reliable program that does the work, produce the results, and not the injuries. The most important fact is to be able to relay to a community that has well being of its customers as a priority. So, thank you all again, and again, for answering my questions promptly, and sincerely. To you, I can promise only one thing- there will be more questions in a time to come.

Special thanks to:

Martin from Bodyshaker, for believing in me, and the project

Lloyd Shaw, for saving a lot of my hard earned money, and guidance (I do hope I will have a chance to repay you one day)

Philippa Church, for being an excellent teacher, and „spiritus movens“

As anyone who is running his own business already knows, there is no guarantee of success. The same thing is with our Dobre vibracije. Especially in the time of financial crisis that hit Croatia really hard, and there is no sign of end of it, at least for now.  But, seeing passion of all of us involved in a Dobre vibracije, as well as you all out there, I have no alternative, but to be a optimist.

Wish us luck

Thanks Mike, for your advice.

I think you’re right. Not sure if any of the home models will last long enough, in terms of plateau, including the BodyShaker Junior. So best to go for a pro model.

 Anyone know how long the BodyShaker pro is likely to last reliability wise, against the tried and tested VibroGym Pro model?  

Thank you for your answers to my previous question. Now please, if any one of you knows anything about 

Gobus My Power home vibration platform from www.gymworld.co.uk - 977 pounds

DKN XG5 - 1250 pounds

Ultim8 Pro from www.ultim8fitness.co.uk - 1499 pounds

or

POWERX Active 3.5 from www.vibrationsplatte.de - 1745 pounds

I m specially interested in Globus it seems that could be a good machine for my mother with good specs from an italian sport manufacturer. But i dont know if what is on paper is real too. Any based on knowledge advice is much appreciated. Thank you very much in advance.
 

Amj

Based on your comments, i would go for a second hand vibrogym pro or bodyshaker pro. You would be hard pressed to platue on either of these units provided you followed the vibratrain safety programe to the letter.

I have been running vibrogym pros for over 3 years now in a very busy studio with no problem.

The bodyshaker junior is just a bit below power from the vibrogym pro but wouldstillbe a great unit for home

For anyone considering buying a home machine and looking at the higher force, bigger ones.  They are by far the best for training but just be sure your home is able to take the vibration of the machine and your neighbours are not going to be badly affected.

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/your-home-machine-and-your-neighbours

A small add to the previous post - a rubber mat that fits the platform of the machine is recommended for when body parts other than feet are in contact with the plate, eg the push-up, pelvic stability, triceps dip. It really adds to comfort so if you dont get one supplied with the machine ask if its available or buy one elsewhere to fit.  A small mat for the knees for basic push-up is also good.

Here’s the Vibra-Train Safety Program for use with lineal machines – the step by step instructions are linked at the bottom of the page.  You must follow the instructions fully, always step-by-step, no shortcuts so you start in perfect position.  Then make sure you hold that position, correcting during the minute as necessary.  Print out the instructions and pictures and have someone watch over you.

Because of the shape of the machine you will need to hold the Wide Stance squat without the support of knees around the handlebars so you must ensure you hold your knees in position and not let them drift inwards. You can stand sideways for position 6, the Stretch. Guys cannot sit on lineal vibration machines – you’ll get hit hard where you don’t want to be (think about it!) – it’s great for women and gives fast results.  Also we do not do Position 7 - the Lunge in our studios now, it’s covered up on our posters.  Many people cannot hold the position so the risks outweigh the benefits.

If you can get into http://www.resonancevt.co.uk/   and do some sessions there they will instruct you but that depends where in U.K. you live.

Here’s an interesting article written by Lloyd Shaw about Vibration Training and Precise Joint Angles

Hi Mike,  

My budget isn’t too great, sub 2000 GBP, mainly because I’m a bit vary of spending a lot on something which I may outgrow, or stop using. Also, not sure of the long term reliability of these machines. I’d pay more if I could be sure of getting a platform that I could use for a good few years.

In terms of current cost in the UK:

VibroGym Pro – Approx 5800 but can be bought used for 2500 – 3000

BodyShaker Pro  - Approx same price as VibroGym

BodyShaker Junior – 3600

DKN XG10 – 1800

 So as you can see I can get a second/used VibroGym Pro for the cost of a new DKN, with the BodyShaker Junior somewhere in between.

Decisions….decisions…. 

Lloyd,

Thanks for the feedback. In your list, did you mean the Body Shaker (Pro) or the Junior?

I was getting the power ratings from specs on websites, hence the "on paper" comment.

The Body Shaker Junior model, according to their website, has 2.7KN of force as opposed to their current pro model which has 3.9KN (although I been told they have a new pro model being released in the UK shortly).

The VibroGym Pro also states a force of 3.9KN, but the DKN only list a G Force, which my maths isn't up to converting :)

Unfortunately I haven't been able try any of these machines yet.

Hi Lucian,

 I believe Resonance VT follow Lloyds Training program, http://www.resonancevt.co.uk/ , not sure if there are any others.

Can I ask where you purchased your platform and how much for?

Did you try any others out? 

Hi to everyone and a very big Thank You Lloyd for sharing with us all this information about vibration training. Based on everything a have learnt from you, I just bought a VibroGym pro. Now Lloyd, please recommend someone from the UK who can teach me how to use this machine properly. Thank you in advance for your time and I really appreciate everything what you are doing in here. Thank you.