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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-11-06 10:20:18
Cynthia....
 
Do not deal with SlimVibes, they deliberately sell machines under fake specs.  Once a company does that they can not be trusted.
 
Yes a faster speed Pivotal will give you results. Just slower than a High Energy Lineal.
 
Cynthia Posted On:2010-11-06 06:36:28

Lloyd, this is Cynthia again,

I received an email answered one of my question and it said

Hello Cynthia,

For muscle mass, I would recommend the Vibra-Pro 5500. You can find more information here :
http://www.slimvibes.com/compare.html

What do you think about this machine.

Thank you so much

 
Cynthia Posted On:2010-11-06 05:01:32

Thank you again Lloyd, that will help me a lot.

My question is if the faster speed Pivotal will work for what I want or need.

Or the good quality Lineal unit or nothing. Because I dont have that money. You can understand what i want to tell you. I dont want to spend 800 for something that doesnt work for me... I dont know if in this is the better or nothing.

Hope you can understand my english.

Thanks again. Waiting for your answer.

Best regards

Un beso. Cynthia

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-11-05 17:06:39
Cynthia...
 
You will not get a good quality Lineal unit for anything under about $6000 , so your only option is to find a faster speed Pivotal.
 
I will have to see if there are any suppliers of this kind of product in your country. 
 
cynthia Posted On:2010-11-05 16:55:06

Hi Lloyd, thanks for your quit answer.

Yes, I read it. But I couldnt understand perfectly the differences between lineal energy from Pivotal speed. What I need is to strengthen my muscles. I do wakeboarding and i had several ACL surgeries. I think 2000 or less, if it is possible.

Thank so much.

Best regards

Cynthia

 

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-11-05 16:34:42
Cynthia...
 
Assuming you have already read the review http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/machine-reviews  Which type of machine did you think you wanted, or could afford ?
 
Cynthia Posted On:2010-11-05 13:56:41

Hello, my name is Cynthia, I live in Miami. I have been reading about vibro training for one or two weeks. I started because a person that i knew in my husband job told me about that. She told me that is very good for increase the muscle mass, that what i need. But the more I read the more I confused. I would like to buy one for my home, but I dont have any idea. My english is no perfect,  i am from argentina,  that makes more difficult to understand. 

I read that rsk put some links but nobody responded.

PLEASE, I NEED THAT SOMEONE TELL ME WHICH MACHINE I HAVE TO BUY.

Thanks.

Waiting for a response. Regards

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-11-05 11:16:03
 
                                               http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/high-quality-muscle-and-fat-loss
 
rsk Posted On:2010-11-04 02:48:38

Thanks again everyone. Though HyperVibe is more expensive than what I can afford, I do want to get a good machine that will last for a long time and serve the purpose. Do any of you know where in Toronto I can rent a HyperVibe for a couple of weeks before I buy it out. It would help to try it for a couple of weeks and see what it does for me rather than trying it just once during a demo. 

 

Thanks 

rsk

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-11-03 18:18:10
Yes I laughed when I read that. Pretty harsh but accurate none-the-less. 
 
There are no guarantees of success, but I meant it when I stated that unless studios invested in true commercial products, and followed well structured programs. All they would end up doing is advertising for us. And with our increase in numbers countrywide, it was an accurate prediction.
 
VibroGym was a classic example. They had good machines but random programs. Someone even told me once " they are useless " I replied " No the machines are great, I brought 40 of them, the programs are what lets them down " 
 
The Power Plate studios on the other hand were a set up disaster waiting to happen.  
 
Di Heap Posted On:2010-11-03 18:06:03

Here’s a warning to the whole Vibration Training industry.  It’s someone’s personal blog explaining through the consumer’s eyes what has happened to commercial studios in New Zealand.

The funny thing is what they say happened is exactly the predictions that Lloyd made years ago – that studios had to have commercial machines and strict safety programs that everyone can learn Or they’d go out of business.

“Vibration training has been around for a while now and a while back when it was a fad in Auckland there were studios sprouting up all over the place. Most of them were rubbish and have closed down but Vibratrain has stuck around.”

http://thehypenz.blogspot.com/2010/07/vvvvvvvvvvibratrain.html

Remember we were not just up against crap machines.  I saw Vibrogym set up in New Zealand and fall over just as fast because they didn’t offer the entire package.  As an instructor I now understand how important having everything in place is.

 
KirkRegular Posted On:2010-11-03 12:30:19

RSK...

We run a training studio in Newfoundland and we are currently using Wave Vibraflex or galileo and HyperVibe machines.  for the price HyperVibe is your best option.  It performs as well as our galileo at 4x the cost without the quality german construction.  it is a little more than you budgeted for but anything less would not give you the results you are looking for.  Any cheap machine found on the internet for less than 2000 dolars is false advertising as far as i am concerned.

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-11-03 11:52:32
RSK..
 
The review http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/machine-reviews has clear descriptions of what to look for on machines so you can correctly classify them. No matter what the brand. Emailing suppliers and asking for exact specs always helps in this task. If you think they are being dodgy, come on here to confirm specs , country of origin etc.. with us. 
 
The HyperVibe because of its speed is a Premium speed Pivotal.
 
The big Waves are at the higher end of Medium Energy Lineal , but the lighter plastic one from China is a few steps lower.
 
You should get results on all those units.  But a lot of factors can vary how much. 
 
Di Heap Posted On:2010-11-03 09:54:22

rsk

Those two machines have completely different mechanism of design and movement so category isn’t the decisive factor.  You are asking for weight-loss (fat-loss) and muscle toning but without knowing more about you it’s impossible to make recommendation more than I’ve done. 

I suggest you contact Deb and Dan at hypervibe.ca  
They are experienced with Vibration Machines and could arrange for you to try both types. You can also email or phone Wave for info to compare.

Please read articles for more info: www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program

 

 
rsk Posted On:2010-11-03 07:32:51

Thanks Deb and Di Heap.

Deb.. can you please let me know under which of the following category does HyperVibe and WAVE fall. Also pls suggest which of these 2 machines is best for weight loss and muscle toning.

High Energy Lineal
Premium Speed Pivotal
Medium Energy Lineal
Low Speed Pivotal
Low Energy / Low Amplitude Lineal
Low Energy/High amplitude Lineal
 
Di Heap Posted On:2010-11-02 08:58:02

rsk

We aren’t going to tell you exactly which brand or machine to buy but personally I would eliminate PowerPlate, VibraSlim and SlimVibes due to wrong specs and info attached to machines and their trading practices. For machine categories take a look at http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/machine-reviews

You’ve listed two completely different modes of vibration machine – pivotal/see-saw (HyperVibe) and the others are lineal/upright vibration with a little difference again for the Wave.

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/lineal-design-pivotal-design

Have you ever tried a Vibration Machine? You really need to trial the ones you have shortlisted before you buy.  The program followed is different for lineal versus pivotal machines and the feel of the machine is very different.  You might prefer one over the other.

Also the state of your current fitness and health can determine which machines to look at and how long the machine will work for you before you plateau (reach a point where your fitness has outgrown the machine’s design and ability to challenge you). This can happen with any home machine.

You also need to consider your home and where you are going to put the machine.  For a home machine to challenge an “average” person it needs to have some “oomph”. 

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/your-home-machine-and-your-neighbours

Okay, now for myself I’d be looking at the HyperVibe (Pivotal Machine) or the Wave – for value for money ($2000US) and performance of the machine to give some of the results you’ve asked for.
Note:  this is my opinion only and might not be right for you –try before you buy or make sure the dealer will give you a trial period with right of return if the machine isn’t suitable.  Getting shown exactly how to use the machine is invaluable if possible. 

Keep reading the articles on this site and this forum

 
Di Heap Posted On:2010-10-31 14:47:48

It good for women to really understand how hormonal changes affect muscle and fat and that affects weight.

I’m in the menopausal category and have maintained weight and muscle mass percentage over this year. As an instructor I feel frustrated that I haven’t lost much fat but just as Lloyd has explained – I’m doing great!

Very important for women of all ages to build good quality muscle; supports the skeleton and gives strength/fitness gains. And that bit of extra fat that some of us have – as long as it’s not too much -  it helps with production of estrogen which keeps us young = no wrinkles BUT that’s not an excuse ladies, you must strength train and the fastest, safest way is high-force, lineal Vibration Training http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/machine-reviews  

Vibration Training also helps maintain and even build Bone Density

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/vibration-training-and-bone-density

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/vibration-and-bone-density

 

 
Philippa Church Posted On:2010-10-30 20:18:08
Daisy, some of our clients have seen improvements with protein shakes as protein taken in this form within 20 mins of training can aid muscle repair and growth. You can get some very low fat and low calorie ones these days.
 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-10-30 12:14:27
Pearly.....
 
The massage on the front of the legs was taken out of the program some time ago, simply because it was too unsafe for people with even a slight back injury to get into ( try getting into that pose yourself to see what I mean ) . And we had far too many people not informing us of mobility issues.
 
Unfortunately we are still in "safe mode"  with this form of training while introducing it to the public, and have to account for worst case scenario all the time.  But as the industry expands I do have other machine designs that fix the problem and is 100% safe.
 
 
Daisy...
 
Yes going through Menopause can make putting on high quality muscle hard work. And since it is by creating high quality muscle, your body burns fat, it feels like you are fighting a losing battle. Your testosterone levels have taken a slide along with your estrogen. But your body will adjust from its hormonal roller coaster ride eventually.
 
Important point:  Not losing muscle and Not putting on fat is better than going backwards. It is very hard to consistently get results. Especially as we get older. 
 
Note: I have seen great results from active Woman not happy with this situation going to hormonal specialists.  It really depends on your personal beliefs on that issue.  
 
Your legs.....  The quads always show results first because they naturally overload during your squats ( getting your heels down hard helps counter this ). What has happened is your leg muscles have become harder and shrunk slightly leaving your skin lagging behind. Again unfortunately this a hormonal thing as your skin is not as elastic as it used to be. It can take a very long time to catch up to your muscle shrinkage.
 
Note: A firm massage in the shower with one of those anti-cellulite gloves to the area can also make a difference. 
 
The good news is if you you have noticed firming in the quad muscles you are building new cells. Make sure you push all your major muscle groups as hard as your legs for better results.
 
Read this older article of mine to help you understand the whole process of weight loss ....   http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/the-truth-regarding-fat-loss 
 
Daisy Posted On:2010-10-30 09:31:59

Hi Lloyd  I have being training at a VibraTrain studio for the past year and feel as though it is not doing anything for me

I am going through the menopause at this present time does this have any bearing on my not being able to tone up

the only thing I have noticed is the front of my thighs near the knees is feeling slightly more toned but it seems that

the inside of my upper thighs is more flabby,  is there any position I can do to target the inner thigh area

 
Pearly Posted On:2010-10-30 07:39:14

 I am currently going to a Vibra-Train Studio.  My question is why cant I do anti-cellulite massage by lyeing with the front of my thighs in contact with the plate. My hands being on the floor.   The worst of my cellulite problem is on the front of thighs.

 

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-10-26 19:57:30
Unless there was an already existing issue with the graft, vibration training will be safe. Considering you are running and obviously healed I see no restrictions.
 
Note: After a decade of use no reports of any type of surgical screw coming loose has surfaced.
 
Sweets Posted On:2010-10-26 17:19:49

Hello all,

Very interesting blog.  I dont know where else to turn for this sort of information so good on all of you for the knowledge you share here.


My question -

Had ACL reconstruction with a hamstring graft 3 years ago.  I can exercise run etc  and all but thought it would be a good time to get earnest with the muscle build up.

I would want to train on my gyms vibration unit following Lloyds protocols but i have this concern,

Wouldnt the vibration effect the graft screws or what have you loosening my acl graft

Thanks for your consideration.

Sweets

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-10-25 18:29:35
Juliet...
 
What do you mean. You think we should be more like other financial powerhouses where greed, laziness and stupidity has almost collapsed their economies. Yea right.    
 
Dean Posted On:2010-10-22 09:53:10

Thanks Mike. Thanks Lloyd.

Great tips.

I will keep you posted.

 
MikeHair Posted On:2010-10-22 08:23:18

Dean

We first started our studio with pivotal machines and had many clients with MS, the benefits were nothing short of amazing.

One customer when she first came to us had to be driven everywhere by her husband she was only 40, after only one month she was driving by herself and was so pleased with her results she bought one of our old machines when we changed over to lineal.

The biggest thing i guess is to let people know it is not a cure but a treatment so to speak. So continued use is required.

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-10-21 22:22:32
Yes had very good results with MS. With noticeable strength, muscle gain and control. Unfortunately most do not come to use us until very advanced, so it is a long hard fight for them. It is very good she has come in with only mild symptoms.
 
Poses.......  Whatever is possible for them to do. That will totally depend on how advanced they are with the illness.
 
Duration.......  Short bursts of 10 seconds at first.  Then building up to a minute .( could take several months, again depending on how they react, it could be a few weeks ) .
 
Rest ......  Usually only doing the program once a week for the first couple. Then build up from there as they bounce back faster.
 
Caution.....  Chronic fatigue the day after training is normal. Prepare them for it by telling them to only push it if they have a day off work the next day.      
 
Dean Posted On:2010-10-21 21:12:26

Multiple sclerosis (MS)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_sclerosis

I have a young female patient (age 30) with MS. Her symptoms are rather mild, and are basically some difficulty with general motoric ability from time to time, and blurred vision.
Some papers suggest that vibration training can be beneficial for treating symptoms of this condition, and I think there is physiological logic behind that statement.
Is there anybody who has some experience with such patients? Any suggestions regarding positions, Fq, duration of the training etc.?

I have a studio equipped with Bodyshakers.


Thanks

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-10-21 18:37:39
Well it would seem something very interesting has happened out of this situation.
 
In fact for our cause it could not get better. Will report on things soon.
 
MikeHair Posted On:2010-10-20 14:43:37
When asked about being misleading to the public as she did not achieve her body on that machine she responded by saying...
 
but MOST 'miracle' exercise machine Ad's are misleading ... guaranteed MOST fitness models got their bodies through their own weight training regimes ... it's just an AD + I'm a PAID model”
 
Exactly the thing we are dead against, making money at any cost regardless who it rips off!!
 
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