I read the HG response to Philippa again.  I am laughing so hard I have tears.   They said

ONLY STAND ON A  2 MOTOR SYSTEM IF BEING SUPERVISED BY A PERSONAL TRAINER OR OTHER WBV EXPERT AS WOULD BE FOUND IN A COMMERCIAL FITNESS FACILITY.

John Weatherly

Thanks for sharing that Philippa.  At least HG answers which is more than I can say for people connected with Power Plate.  I mentioned previously on this forum about Dr. David Nieman being on the Power Plate Scientific Advisory Board.  Power Plate has listed Nieman on this Advisory Board for at least two years saying Dr. Nieman heads the Power Plate Research Center at Appalachian State.

After speaking with Dr. Jeff McBride last summer and this past January, I decided to contact Dr. Nieman about this.  Dr. McBride, a professor at Appalachian State with Nieman, said there was nothing going on with Power Plate at Appalachian State and  nothing planned for the future.  Well, I called Nieman, emailed Nieman, and he would not answer.  I had to go over his head to Dr. Paul Gaskill who is the head of the department at Appalachian State.  After approximately 5 weeks of Dr. Gaskill saying he was speaking with Drs. Nieman and McBride and the issue should be resolved shortly, I finally had Dr. Gaskill say it was a work in progress.  Gaskill said Dr. Nieman would be taking a Power Plate to the U of North Carolina this fall for a study.  Power Plate is still saying Dr. Nieman heads the Power Plate Research Center at Appalachian State.  This is peculiar because there is nothing going on with Power Plate at Appalachian State and Dr. Nieman is taking a Power Plate to the U of North Carolina for a study in the fall.   If there is a Power Plate Research Center headed by Dr. Nieman in existence, it must be at the U of North Carolina and not at Appalachian State.  Again, the DODGY Dr. Nieman would never answer me about this.

Speaking of DODGY, Mark Verstegen is also on the Power Plate Advisory Board.  Under the testimonials section, not where the Power Plate Advisory Board is listed, but where users give testimonials, Mark encourages people to do their due dilligence and investigate Power Plate.  I have tried to call Mark for two years and he will not call me back.  He even changed his phone extension at his company and is no longer listed in the directory, so I cannot even call and leave a message asking if he could call me back at his convenience.

So, two members of the Power Plate Scientific Advisory Board will DODGE questions about Power Plate.  Mark even encourages people to ask questions in his testimonial on the Power Plate site and then will not answer me for two years.  At least HG answered you Philippa.  I bet Power Plate will not answer any questions about two motors or about much of anything else.  Anybody connected with them seems to be DODGY.

John Weatherly

So am I right in thinking that although 2 motors working well will create a more powerful vibration but the risks of all the problems you mentioned is higher  as there is also a risk of destructive interference.  So one motor is a play it safe option.  Are single motors not likely to experience any of the problems you described. Do you know if the one motor for the Hypergravity elite professional is a new design, did they used to have two. 

Thanks

I need to write an article to really answer that question. Will do it today.

Just wondering if you would be able to give a bit of an explanation as to whether dual motors are always better in a lineal machine and why they are better if so.    E.g. Bodyshaker and Vibrogym have two motors  and Hypergravitys copy of these models has one bigger motor.  I would guess two motors create a more even vibration for one.  Thanks

Excellent job on the two most recent articles Lloyd. I think your explanation of the true differences between construction materials is simple to understand. You make it very clear why so many platforms have failed to perform, and therefore failed to help move the industry forward. I am sure the medicine ball analogy will be used by many,

It would seem that these same concepts of construction would apply to the pivotal industy as well. Although Murray at Hypervibe has quite convincingly demonstrated that the majority of pivotals fail to exceed 10 to 12 hz to begin with. If this were the case, the materials would be of little significance. Perhaps even with the proposed benefits of lower frequency vibration, the materials would have to still come into play as far as physiological responses go.

Any thoughts

Hi Willy

A good electrician with industrial experience will be able to do it without instructions.  Our fantastic electrician did, though these are not that easy to find.  Not sure if he wouldcome to you but give me a call and Ill give you his number. 

I enjoyed the recent article on blood and lymph flow.  I met a former Soviet scientist in 04 in LA and have one of his dissertations and other writings on vibration.  He mentioned a lot about circulation and used the term peripheral muscular hearts.  It was nice to see Lloyd or whoever wrote the article say the same thing.

John Weatherly

Hi Lloyd,

Hi Lloyd,

Lol, the first client to use the new frequency on the vibrogym is complaining that the workout is now harder...I have set them on 45hz

Wow, Lloyd just helped me modify my vibrogyms to run on 43hz instead of the normal 40hz and what a difference 3hz makes, really smooths the vibration out. This will help out with client retention. Thanks Lloyd your a true legend. 

Dear friends
I can see that discussion here is going in a wrong way. Would you be so kind to go back to vibration training? Let us leave personal attacks for e-mails, other forums, and anonymous phone calls, can we?

Just last Thursday I opened a brand new studio in Rijeka, Croatia. This is a first specialized studio for vibration training and therapy in my country, and it was crowdy on opening day. I want to thank all of you who helped me, either by comments on this site, or in some practical way, such Lloyd, Philippa, and Martin from Bodyshaker. Without you, your enthusiasm, and support I would never came this far.

Wish me luck


By the way, I noticed some of my first customers have some back pain during pelvic stability pose, or right after it, myself included. I tried to rotate my pelvis little bit inwards during the vibration. In this way i can feel strong contraction in my abdominal muscles, and less strain in my lower back. Other people with lower back problem feel the same. Did some of you had any similar problems? Do you think this solution is the right one?

Thanks
 

Mikhael et al. reviewed the literature on WBV effects on muscle and bone in older adults and pointed out how weak and poor many of the investigations have been.  The abstract can be read at www.nlm.nih.gov, click on PubMed, and use the search words vibration exercise.  It was published in the Feb 18, 2010 issue of the journal Maturitas.  Keep in mind these are researchers with doctorates conducting and publishing most all of these studies.  It really creates confusion when different equipment, protocols, etc. are used.

John Weatherly

Some forum readers will have read my article “Vibration Training – not just about looking good”

I haven’t been able to follow the regular training program for the past three weeks due to infection.  The result of these just three weeks of not training is serious detraining.  Measured by Body Composition Analyser machine I have lost 2kg of muscle mass and gained 1kg of fat. 

 The net result is weight-loss but it’s not a healthy loss and it totally proves Lloyd’s statement about Vibration Training; "It’s not all about getting a size 8 bikini ass, this is about saving lives”.  I’ll be back to training again tomorrow. (More details of this on my website.)

To qualify my previous statement I do cringe when I see gym trainers allowing people to move in ways that will hurt their spine or neck or other body parts.  Both “academically” trained and “passionate time on the job plus personal study” trained people can be good or bad.

In Vibration Training there is no proper training organisation.  I have been privileged to be trained by Lloyd Shaw of Vibra-Train and I suggest to every trainer to read all the articles on this website for instruction and lots of help.

Another topic here: Lap-band surgery for obese teens.  Watch the video here.

On the Lap-Bandwagon

Then let’s see if we can promote Vibration Training as part of the answer to this crisis. The other part of course is a special diet.

John, the New Zealand situation is worse in some ways.  We have some very careful, dedicated  yet not academically trained coaches and private trainers and to be honest, Id rather use their services than many of the registered trained people. The reason is that the quality of professional training differs by "school" or training institue and the whole system I consider to be corrupt because those at the top who make the rules have vested financial interest in some academic and practical training institutions.

Those who are not "qualified" are often more so, having taken the time to educate themselves by books and internet and working alongside mentors.  So, although I am a registered person, at a certain level I seem to disagree with you about being academically qualified - not that I do disagree BUT that the training has to fit the end job and be controlled by people on the "gym" floor so they know whats needed but not owners of training institutions. Understanding how the body works, bone, muscle, tendon and much more during sportexercise is essential thougn.

The article about personal trainers seems like common sense to me.  The personal training field along with the area of strength and conditioning or performance enhancement for athletes are not professional.  Many of these people have not even had a basic anatomy or physiology class.  Organizations such as the American College of Sports Medicine and the National Strength and Conditioning Association are interest only organizations and not true professional organizations.  There are not any professional requirements to belong to these organizations just as there are not any professional standards enforced to be a personal trainer etc.  Yet, the NSCA calls itself a professional organization.

Additionally, there is not any infrastructure set up for the exercise or sport science fields in the U.S.  Universities award degrees up to the PhD level in these areas.  But, other than being a professor at a university, jobs are scarce for the highly educated person in these fields.  These people often have little hope of meaningful employment.  Many times they are told they are overqualified to be a strength coach or personal trainer.  This is ironic because, as mentioned above, many personal trainers and strength coaches have not had even a basic anatomy or physiology course.  As a general rule, and there are always exceptions to anything, most health clubs or gyms in the U.S. do not seem to care who they hire.  Jobs at hospitals are usually relegated to cardiac rehab types of positions, not primary prevention.  Positions at universities for strength and conditioning coaches are handled within athletic and not academic departments.  At major universities in the U.S., academic and athletic departments have virtually no interaction at all.  The same is true with professional sports in the U.S.  In pro sports, strength and conditioning personnel are hired by sport coaches and management of teams.  Most of these coaches and GMs do not have any education in sport science.  Sport science is about improving sport performance and is related to exercise science, but they are not the same thing.  Most people are not aware of this and do not even know about exercise science let alone sport science.

The Washington Redskins NFL team recently interviewed an ex NFL player, Bill Romanowski, for their head strength and conditioning position.  Romanowski has no formal education in the exercise or sport sciences, has admitted PED use when he played, and in fact tested positive for THG which was THE CLEAR from BALCO in training camp of 03.  I know of an individual who has two degrees in the exercise or sport sciences, worked for peanuts for years as an assistant strength coach with a major university athletic department, and recently has been supporting himself as a personal trainer while VOLUNTEERING as an intern strength coach with the Redskins.  This QUALIFIED person was not even interviewed by the Redskins to my knowledge and his desire is meaningful employment working with athletes and NOT AS A PERSONAL TRAINER.

A similar situation occurred with Boyd Epley who founded the NSCA and was with the U of Nebraska Athletic Department for a long time.  Boyd hired an ex Nebraska and NFL player who had used steroids as COORDINATOR OF PERFORMANCE EDUCATION in the later 90s.  This former player had no education at all in the exercise or sport sciences, other than being an ex player, and was hired instead of a highly qualified applicant.  Additionally, I am almost positive this former player had donated money to the strength booster program at Nebraska.  Complaints were made to the NSCA National Office and an NSCA VP said he would conduct an investigation and that I was entitled to a copy of the investigation from the NSCA National Office.  Well, nothing was done about it.  I still do not have my copy that I was promised in spite of numerous requests.  The most appalling thing was Boyd was on the task force for the NSCA Professional Standards and Guidelines document while the ex player was working for him.  In fact, the ex player was still working for Boyd after the document was published for NSCA members.  Boyd was not following the standards and guidelines himself even though he helped the NSCA make them up.  It was covered up because Boyd founded the NSCA.  In fact, Boyd later resigned from his position at Nebraska to take a position with the NSCA National Office.  I think most reasonable and prudent people would call this hypocritical.  I used to trust people and organizations like the NSCA but do not trust them anymore.

Thus, personal training or performance enhancement for athletes cannot be called a true profession in the U.S.  Contrast this with any type of medicine or other professional field.  The article about personal trainers is right on.  Many of these people will not understand vibration due to a lack of education or intelligence.

Here is a thought to ponder.  The American College of Sports Medicine has published guidelines for many years on the quality and quantity of exercise to maintain or improve health in the adult population.  These guidelines are not followed by most adults in the U.S.  They have been mainly a failure.  Anything like vibration training that may help with this should be strongly considered in my view.

John Weatherly

Thanks