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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-26 12:57:09
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Brice..
If you are a "trainer". Have owned and promoted a Vibration Machine for 2 years, but admit you don't even know how it works. You are part of the industries problem. If you do not know the basic differences between machines. You are also part of the problem. I mean what chance does the consumer have if people like you are uneducated.
Seriously what trainer recommends something with zero knowledge on the subject. So yes you sound like a salesperson, not a health professional.
High Energy Lineal..... The question you have to ask yourself, is why were these designed and built. If the previous units did it all and were the best. In fact why are better units designed all the time by the same companies that sold "the best" last year ?
It is called innovation , a fantastic idea that has given you everything you own. An idea you may never partake in yourself, but that is no reason to not show respect for the process.
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Di Heap |
Posted On:2011-04-26 09:27:49
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Good Morning Brice
There’s no way I’d recommend the small pivotal vibration machines primarily for fat-loss.
They work on circulation increase, relaxation/stress reduction, bone density, lymphatic drainage, etc. Of course they are movement against resistance so they will increase metabolism – but how much is the question. They are Low impact so they also help with injury recovery.
They can improve mobility in obese people so can say they are a starter for fat-loss as long as the machine can cope with the person’s weight and not degrade in performance. The model I think you are referring says max weight 120Kg but I don’t know if it still works to full performance with that weight (many degrade by 80Kg). I have one in the studio and it’s a toy compared with the solid machines (lineal and pivotal) but Its good for for home use for the benefits above and maybe for warm up pre running/cardio and muscle relaxation after. Specifically for fat-loss – only as an absolute beginner machine for people who do no exercise at all. (Does the model on the machine look like she needs fat-loss?)
(Cardio-Tech isn’t same as T Zone but they sell their machines)
Here’s a link to Machine Reviews showing many machines and the group they fall into. http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/machine-reviews
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Brice from Sydney |
Posted On:2011-04-26 00:59:44
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Di I read it thanks. Yes CardioTech are the same as T zone Australia I know. I also saw that they have a new machine on there website.
Is the new machine good for weight loss to. It looks smaller and is cheaper.
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Brice from Sydney |
Posted On:2011-04-26 00:43:03
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Look I admit I probably dont know as much about vibration training as you guys, but I am a good trainer and I get my customers results. No need to use insult.
You support T zone Australia, so you also recommend the use of the T zone machine for vibration training, am I right. I also support T zone Australia and I think they are the best machine for weight loss for the money, yes just my opinion. My clients arnt in wheel chairs and dont have life threatening conditions, so if there are machines that are more effective for that, thats fine. You are telling me I sound like a marketer and then tell me that high energy lineal is way better. Sounds like marketing there to me to. I can get good increase in muscle and strength with the T zone to.
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Di Heap |
Posted On:2011-04-25 15:36:53
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Are you aware of the Cardio-Tech company ?
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-25 10:39:39
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Brice ....
( This information has been freely available to everyone for years so no excuses for not knowing it other than pure laziness. )
On Pivotal machines, what Fq the machine actually does is the most important feature distinguishing "Slow Speed Pivotal" from " Higher Speed Pivotals ". Just like as a trainer lifting up 2kg is far different than 10kg. If you really are a trainer, you would agree with this without reservation.
If a machine only goes to 10 hz, it does not really matter how many "settings" it has. It is still a " Slow Speed Pivotal". That is not a bad thing, unless some idiot like you suggests it is the same as one that goes to 20hz.
A Question and a Dare Brice. ...... If you are convinced you are right, and what you have already is "the best" then why do companies keep striving to build or buy better machines with higher functions. Even the people who sell the T-Zone are upgrading their machines and knowledge. You should ring them all up and tell them they shouldn't bother. You Master Vibration Trainer Brice ( who apparently knows sweet fanny all about the basics ) have already decided the standard everyone should aim for.
If you really are a trainer, seriously, shut up and stop embarrassing yourself with your massive lack of general knowledge. It is what we expect from the uneducated consumer. But a trainer who owns a few machines. Scary stuff for your customers.
Come back when you have a clue and stop speaking like a religious fanatic salesperson.
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Di Heap |
Posted On:2011-04-25 02:00:45
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Brice, you're really sounding like a marketer – “Best on the market”, and now “Best for everything advertised by T-Zone”
Definitely not best for everyone – not saying they aren't okay machines of their type. Not the best I have available for my wheelchair clients nor my 160kg clients. I have other machines to choose from. I guess you don't. For training, real muscle quality increase (tested by BCA machine) and strength benefits, using a safe program that regular people can use, high-energy, lineal vibration is way better, in my opinion.
70 speeds over say 12 or even 20Hz (on a well designed machine) – perhaps you'd like to explain how that works and the benefits, not just say its a better range. How do 70 speeds differ in effect and what is each used for? Is the frequency not continuous?
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Brice from Sydney |
Posted On:2011-04-25 00:32:29
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Dear Di
I have found the T zone excellent for everything as advertised by T zone. What effects wouldnt it be great for that other machines would. Why spend a fortune on those expensive machines when the T zone will do the job just as well.
70 speeds have to be better than 20 dont they, for a greater range of speeds.
Im a personal trainer based in the western suburbs.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-24 23:40:53
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Brice...
I support any company trying to move forward and making things clearer for the consumer. But no-one gets a free pass. I am always vigilant that companies do not fall back into their old ways.
Unfortunately the global brand T-Zone has been hurt by its own mistakes. They used the internet to get sales and pump up a reputation as "experts" who sell the "best" machine. But you have seen the other side of that sword.
The internet forums never forget.
It is something companies have to learn to put into their risk assessments, and marketers who once got away with BS now have to think twice. Or it could effect future sales for years to come.
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Di Heap |
Posted On:2011-04-24 23:21:09
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Brice, what sort of studio do you have? Chiroprator?, Health and Fitness? Or ??
I visit Sydney every few months and I'm looking for places to train in the city or city east especially open at weekends.
I'm keen to see T-Zone promote it's brand accurately and have a market share based on having quality products – worldwide – and I'm very active in making sure my corner of the world (Australia, NewZealand) cleans up.
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Di Heap |
Posted On:2011-04-24 22:55:28
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I hate reading that any brand of machine is “The Best” on the market because you have to ask, not ever assume, the best at what? Now you are saying great for weightloss but just about every brand says that – you qualify it by saying it costs less. Now you are making sense, you're saying
“T-Zone, in your opinion, is great for weightloss especially taking into account it's price”.
Good, now we've cleared that up I want you to know there's lots more to Vibration Training than weightloss. As a trainer I work with people from pro-athletes through to people with major disabilities (ie in wheelchair) and life-threatening conditions. I can't imagine the T-Zone meeting the needs of all. In fact I use two slightly different machines of one brand (lineal vibration) and two different pivotal machines (one is a T-Zone) for my clients. For a few of the people I train the little T-Zone (VT-8) is the “best” but I definitely wouldn't train on it myself.
And in advertising – T-Zone don't do themselves any good by advertising 70 speed levels comparing that with 20 for other brands because again, what does it really mean? Definitely not 70Hz and anyway, who says 70 speeds are better? Better for what?
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Brice from Sydney |
Posted On:2011-04-24 21:10:55
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Fair enough. I dont care much about what goes on in Canada and USA anyway, so its good to hear you support T zone in Australia. I think people might find that confusing when they read your comments like I did.
To my comments about the best machine on the market. The T zone machines are great for weight loss and cost much less than others, so I think its a fair comment.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-24 16:55:57
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Mike...
I think klms statement was in support of us. Calm down.
But yes if someone was going to question anyone's integrity or expertise, they should use their full name. Not hide behind a fake name. But we know from experience, that the dodgy characters that know they are on the wrong side, never do.
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MikeHair |
Posted On:2011-04-24 16:44:26
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klm
If you are going to comment or question somebodys integrity atleast have the balls to post your real name
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-24 16:08:42
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So you own a studio Brice...?
Do you agree with this statement about Vibration Training ? Is this how you use or promote the technology ?
" Using vibration technology couldn't be easier. In fact, all you have
to do is stand around, or just sit!"
Or do you get people to follow a strict program. In our studios the machines are useless without a good trainer and a good program.
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klm |
Posted On:2011-04-24 13:48:44
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Brice.Good luck questioning lloyd shaws integrity or expertise.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-24 12:08:49
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Sorry your whole statement blows your credibility out of the water. I am speaking facts ( lots of printed and PDF adverts we have kept all claiming 50hz top speed setting )
Direct quote from T-Zone brochure.......... " 50 vibrations per second - not the usual 30, More vibrations mean more muscle reflexes and more results "
Yours opinion is obviously based on zero knowledge as no company will now claim those figures as accurate. You probably purchased a machine yourself not knowing the real specs. And we are meant to take your advice ????.
As for T-Zone the company, maybe one brother is more honest than the other, who knows. Don't care myself for the dynamics of the company.
And your "best machines in the industry" comment puts you at real amateur level. Only a marketer would say something like that.
Eg.... One company that used to advertise fake specs, just got its own machine designed to go up to much higher speeds than the actual old 12 hz. ( but claimed 50hz ) And now know how ridiculous their older claims were. They side with me now on "no fake specs" issues. A company I once attacked outright.
Strange how many companies are now following our work that once rubbished it, but make no mistake, it was a fight every step of the way. We all survived personal and professional attacks to get this far.
You see we do not mind companies making mistakes, but to ignore the issue for 3 years, and keep repeating them ? All that while it hurt the real innovation process that created our industry in the first place , frustrating those who really where trying to build better machines. I mean why bother trying, why not just fake it, right?
Because that is the lesson they where preaching to other companies entering the market. This is what promoting 50hz on Pivotal got you ....
1) Incorrect specs advertised ( that is illegal right ? )
(2) Promotion of those specs as healthy and advantageous
(3) Health professional and Doctors now promoting and willing to argue those speeds on Pivotal acceptable.
(4) The same Doctors doing research , listing incorrect dangerous specs on their research.
(5) Even more uneducated or dishonest competition copying every move you do.
You see we were already have this fight with Power Plate. So it was business as usual for us. Collecting evidence, spreading the truth. All the while leading the way with our own company based on ethics, not just sales.
The people trying to tell the truth and clean the industry up were being shat over every day by these people. Get the message ?
I mean seriously, how can you trust anyone who screws up that massively then pretends it didn't happen ?
Note: Do you realize their claims are all over forums, along with salespeople saying we were lying and being anti-competitive. But we were right all along. So just ditching their old advertising and pretending it didn't happen will not work. They put a fair bit of effort in to create the mess and fight us, so only a far effort will go some way to fixing it.
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Brice from Sydney |
Posted On:2011-04-23 23:32:15
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Ummm I think you need to check your info mate.
T zone Australia and T zone Canada US are the same thing, the owners are brothers. My machines came from one of their leading dealers who is a good mate of mine, and their machines are the best on the market.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-23 22:54:01
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We have had problems in the past with companies using fake specs to sell machines ( 50 hz advertised for a Pivotal machine that actually went approx. 12hz ?? ) Not my opinion, engineering fact.
Fake specs for the whole industry and consumer has been bad news, and T-Zone was one of the first companies to do this blatantly. So they get stick for it, and rightly so.
It is important to note that T-Zone Australia readily communicated to us a willingness to tests machines, and promise to advertise correct specs in the future. T-Zone Canada and US. have ignored all requests to face up to the problem so far. Why such different attitudes to consumer protection ?
I think you will find some dealers are more committed than others to this industry. If you found a good one, then that was good luck.
Note: 70% of our hits on this site are from the US. So we try to give general global advice, not just local.
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Brice from Sydney |
Posted On:2011-04-23 21:34:58
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Loyd where do you get off telling people not to trust T zone
I have 2 T zone machines in my studio and I have nothing but good feedback for the machines and for the retailer where I bought them.
Whats your problem with T zone
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-23 17:23:12
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Answer.......... As indicated in engineers reports the powerplate PRO 5 (Not MY5) tested at 11G’s unloaded. This alone is not bad. However, there is reason to believe that this would not be the case if it was loaded with someone working out on it. For that reason, and my personal experience along with many others who come to my studio after using the powerplate at a local gym, we rate it as a “middle of the road” lineal platform. Will certainly get the job done and has research behind it, but not the best your money can buy.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-21 21:11:42
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-20 16:41:36
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MikeP...
All good. Just want everyone to have best experience they can with Vibration Training, through companies dedicated not just to the bottom line ( which never works out well for the consumer or industry long term )
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MikeP |
Posted On:2011-04-20 04:46:23
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I just want to say that I recently purchased a Power Plate my 5. I never really had a good feeling about the product and after plenty of research on here and discussion with Lloyd I decided to send it back.
I ended up purchasing a Wave Air Reflex product. It really is a different machine altogether. I could tell right away when I started on this one that the Power Plate was an inferior product. Not to mention I received a call from Dr. Sidhu and he was willing to go over the machine. I am not implying that you have to get a Wave but this is the kind of quality and customer service that I was looking for in a product. Not to mention it is all steel and not plastic and cheap like the PP. The rep at PP told me that the weight calibration is over rated and that you really do not lose energy.
Anyhow I just wanted to share my experience with everyone and say thanks to Lloyd and company for what they are doing.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-19 17:14:33
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No matter what the brand, all those machines come from the same factory ( exact same design that is, not all Pivotals ). And they all work within a 10% variance of each other.
According to Galileo anything over 18 hz seems to cause a profound muscular reaction. Unless you are an athlete going faster than 22Hz is just overdoing it in my opinion.
So having said that, go with a company you trust that sells that machine.
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closer |
Posted On:2011-04-19 15:02:19
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thanks for the quick answer folks...
lloyd shaw... thats the type of pivotal machine that we are looking for... the ones we tried like that had no head jarring at all... the others all were very uncomfortable....
had anyone had any experience with the Progression WBVMs ... they look very similar to the NitroFit units
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-19 11:01:58
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Closer....
For Pivotal I would recommend http://www.wholebodyvibration.net/ as a trusted company. T-Zone seems to be increasing its product quality over time and the newer units are running a few hz faster. But I do not trust T-Zone and would not give them my money.
Pivotal VS Lineal .... As long as your choice is personal and not pre-empted or influenced by marketers. Then that is always a good thing.
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John |
Posted On:2011-04-19 09:42:47
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Vibraflex, around five years ago when I briefly represented them in the U.S., was roughly 9000 to 11,900 US dollars. That is basically a Galileo with one motor. I do not think there is a better pivotal so this is top of the line and you can go down from there. They also had leasing options for people at that time.
John T. Weatherly
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closer |
Posted On:2011-04-19 08:18:27
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looking for answers out of Canada... or relating to available machines in Canada... but any advice will help
The more read the more I like about vibration training... and the more I get confused as to which machine I should purchase...
first of all we are not looking to bulk up... we are both over the half century, in pretty good shape, and under 150 lbs. we are looking at a machine that will help with some weight loss, toning and overall flexibility... I suffer from a bit of piriformis syndrome and think it would assist me there as well... the machine I believe that would be best suited to us would be the pivot type. I have been on both types and quite frankly the lineal ones actually do shake my head uncomfortably... no matter how flexed my knees are...
in Canada I have used the TZone 1500 and found it very comfortable... but they are a distance away for service... I have access to the Progression VT1000 but see that it is listed at this site as one of the low power pivotal machines... does anyone know if one is any better than than the other... and can you tell me why
what would a good premium pivotal machine be... and what should I expect to pay for one
please dont tell me I should be using a lineal... as I said... they wrack my head and are out of the equation
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Di Heap |
Posted On:2011-04-18 10:30:59
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The Australian Fitness and Health Expo in Sydney would be a great place for Vibra-Train to exhibit (when the time is right). Along with FitX it’s attended not only by athletes and the general public but by owners of fitness studios, gyms, beauty and health spas and more. Many visitors were in great shape from presumably many hours of weights at the gym – they’d love the look and power of the machines. There were others who looked like they didn’t exercise at all and Vibra-Train would be excellent for them; at a fitness show they were obviously looking for more than the giveaway protein drinks.
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This from a website that has written entire articles rubbishing our work and theories on Static VS Dynamic.