Katrina

Lloyd will give you all the info you need in a few hours but I’ll start. What ongoing training did your surgeon or therapist advise

A stationary bike is great for knees as it gets fluid moving around the joint and as long as it’s set up correctly it helps with alignment.  Make sure you pedal down and then up with heels pointed down (not your toes) and don’t quite extend your leg straight.

Unfortunately Jazz is misinformed about Vibration Machines.  I’m guessing he’s never tried a high force (good) one.   You must be in perfect position just as Philippa shows you, in the squat position being careful not to extend your knees forward of your toes and making sure your feet are straight and hip (bone) width apart.   Watch that your knees stay in alignment and not coming inward during the time. 

For me Vibration Training (on Vibra-Train) machines has sped up recovery.  Other very important points are to be very careful when/if you do positions that require you to kneel  - get up slowly taking care not to twist your knees.  Also lots of care stepping off the machines. Always count to 10 first to allow fatigued leg muscles to recover and so be able to support you.  If you step down right away as timer stops your knees take the impact of that step.  Also do position 9 Super Squat facing and holding the handlebars – that is, a repeat of position 1. You need the support holding on gives.

After training be careful for an hour or two, don’t run to catch a bus!  Your body recovers, repairs and begins to build new muscle fibre.  Eat a high protein meal to further help this process.

Hi Jazz

Can you tell us a bit about yourself please.  Do you have a studio or run a practice?  Can you tell us where if so?  Thanks - just good to know from what background your opinion is coming.

Hi Katrina

Good to see you here.  Katrina trains with us .  We said to come on here to get unbiased advice.  She is one of our star vibrators so we dont want to lose her and didnt want her to feel that we were not giving the full story so we said to consult the worlds experts on here.  I know Di is knee expert extraordinaire. 

Hi Katrina

Can you tell us where you train, the name of the machines you are using? and do you follow Vibra-Trains safety program? You should not be doing the lunge position. http://www.vibra-train.com/exercises-bullet.html

Have you read the article below on precise joint angles?

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/vibration-training-and-precise-joint-angles

Hi, I need some advice about Vibration Training and knees. I have been going to VT since July last year and have been absolutely delighted with  the results. I have lost more than 16kg in weight and gone from a size 16 to a size 10. My problem is that my knees seem to be crunching very loudly when I crouch or kneel down, or walk up the stairs. When I put my hand over the knee joint I can feel the joint grinding inside. I dont feel pain when I am actually training but the pain kicks in afterwards. When I kneel or crouch right down my knees seem to lock and I feel pain for about 5 minutes but then they are fine again. My knees have always clicked but the grating has only recently started.

I went to see my GP and he told me to stop going to VT as I was damaging my knees even more and would end up needing a knee replacement. I like to think he was just using scare tactics through ignorance.

I had a skiing accident in 1992 and needed surgery as i damaged the anterior and posterior cruciate ligaments, medial ligament, cartilage and synovial membrane.

Does anyone have any advice as to whether I can carry on using the machines or not, or if there are any alternative positions that would put less pressure through my knees.

The trainers at the studio are fantastic and suggested I see if I can get some more advice from this forum. I really do not want to have to stop.

Thanks

Katrina

Hmmm. were you hoping for a career as a comedian.    Best get back to shaving your supermodel legs  think theres more future there. 

Resonance Vibration Training, Ampthill,  Bedfordshire.  www.resonancevt.co.uk.  You are most welcome if passing by.

Do you have any proof that these cheaper machines do  carry lower hertz as advertised  You claim most of them do This is a big call when there must be hundreds of models out there in the world.I think you said 98%  of all sales fall into this bracket. Did you do the testing? please give us some proof of this fact. Facts and figures by independent testing is proof,not just you saying so.

To  Lloyd and Philippa

Thanks for your candid comments. T Zone wants 1600.00 Canadian for the VT 12 unit. It sounds like I may be well advised to invest a little more in a different direction.

Thanks

Ken F

Hi Veronica -

Yes is the answer!  It's not called Whole Body Vibration for nothing!  The bowel is also muscle which can be 'worked'!  Interestingly people often report improvements in conditions such as IBS, collitus etc after vibration training. Cellulite massage and stretch can be particularly 'stimulating' shall we say!  The good news is that people seem to find these issue disappear after a few sessions - so stick with it and be confident that 'No - it's not just you!'.

Hi Ken

Have to say T zone not so good - but good to see you are getting benefits from the machines.  However, personally I wouldn't recommend buying one.  You would be much better off with a steel machine - BodyShaker or Vibrogym.  Although they will ship to Canada may be expensive - email them and see.  Think this is why people often end up with the lower- medium energy lineals like T zone and Powerplate etc.  Have you looked into what's available on Canada? 

Hi Philippa...I live in Fredericton New Brunswick Canada

Where are you based Ken

I have used a vibration machine for the first time in my life this month and am enjoying same.  The business is called T Zone Vibration. Has anyone heard of this business. Do they have quality vibration machines. Where can I find the stats for the machines as they are not on the company site. I would like to buy a unit but like everyone else I dont want to get ripped off.

Ken F.

Lexz

Phillipa asking a question is not new.  In amongst all the bickering perhaps she thought she would use the forum for something constructive, and of course gained your criticism.  I know many people who use Lloyd for his knowledge, as do I.  There are enough fools on here setting Lloyd up with their ignorance, such as yourself.  He doesnt need to put people up to things.

So in other words, we can ask questions if we wish and you can go to another forum and argue where you have a chance of winning.  Phillipa isnt pretending to be an expert.  And neither am I.  The more I learn, the more I realise there is to learn. 

Lloyd on the other hand is an expert.  If you actually knew him, you would know this.  I remember a day  when he was asked go on radio, and the station surprised him by having a doctor appear unanounced.  Lloyd made her look stupid, she ended up agreeing with 95 percent of what he said and no doctor will take him for the hell of it ever again. 

Lloyd on a forum can win these debates, but in person, he would destroy.  That is something you have yet to appreciate.

So let me see so far...

We are being criticised for not being a size 8 supermodel.  Damn!  I forgot to read the part of the training manual that said there was a direct link between knowledge, ability, experience and size.  Potatoes in the bin - lettuce leaf at the ready.  Next - asking a question to meet changing needs.  Again silly me - I didn't know there was a time limit by which time you had to know everything.  If only Einstein had known that he might have worked a bit quicker! I'll put a sign up today on the door stating clearly that no new conditions can come in.   Then we have building a machine in your bedroom.  Oh Lloyd - how could you think of anything so depraved - should think you're still reeling from that attack! Laser cutting under the bedclothes - Oh my!   My favourite is Lloyd's ability to jet round round the world in seconds to make the posts under his varous aliases.  See - Lloyd it's not only you who thinks you're Superman - they do too.   Looking forward to seeing what the next crippling blow will be.  Bad hair?  Eyes too close together?  Mother looks like a horse?  Let's see...

MrFuzz

You're right, I'm overweight.  I lost a lot of fat then gained a lot last NZ winter because I over-ate badly, lots of carbs etc.

You see, I am a REAL person, prone to put on weight due to medical factors and over-eating. I'm not a sporty person except for some walking and running races. I am your regular everyday person and I am the overweight person that Vibra-Train machines were initially designed for.  Actually I'm not so big but I could have become that way.

Vibration Training on high force machines, and for me specifically on Vibra-Train machines has worked exactly as it was designed to.  Even after an accident a year ago which caused me to lose muscle mass (went from 120% down to almost 100% - which is okay but not what I want) I kept my high strength and I've built up to 120% muscle again through a time of personal change and winter illnesses.  I no longer have the weight related health problems  had 3 years ago.

Read my story here:  www.vibration-training-advice.com/vibration-training---not-just-about-looking-good

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to say all this.  And you, MrFuzz, what's your condition?  Are you Mr Perfect? Do you have a training method so amazing that you read and post on  a forum, even when on holiday as I am

Lez, Mr.Fuzz and Colin,