Tina

Are you wanting a home machine or to use one in a studio or gym?

What results do you want to achieve and which brands can you access?

At home you have other things to consider like where the machine will be placed.  Have you read any of the articles on this website?

Of these brands,dkn powerplate, vibrogym bodyshaker  which one is the most powerful.

Thanks in advance.

  Well done to Kevin, I have no doubt he will make a real success of it and hopefully put a big dent in Power Plates sales and reputation.  Looking forward to seeing the new machine. 

Congratulations to Kevin Barclay-Webb I wish him success and its good that he is pushing true vibration training...Wont be long and Power Plate will be a thing of the past 

An interesting study that gives encouraging results for the use of Vibration Training for glycemic control in Type 2 Diabetic people.  

The poses are not ones I would use and the time of each was only 30 seconds.  Results are still there – Vibration Training works!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1885552/

It’s a good test, John.  Remember the combined weight of the four people on the Vibra-Train “Bullet” machine was 331Kg.  I’d be interested to see a video or results of PowerPlate using that sort of weight – 110Kg is less than two people! 

Here’s the video of the test so others can see it:  A simple test for Gym and Studio owners - to test the performance of a Commercial Vibration Training Platform

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi_Dxunqpro

I spoke with a scientist here in the U.S. this am.  He and his colleagues did a test similar to the test Lloyd demonstrated with the hammer and the 4 people standing on a Vibratrain machine.  Only difference was they used Power Plate and measured the actual amplitude in mm  ranging from unloaded to 85 kg, 110 kg, and above 110 kg.   At the same setting for frequency and amplitude, Power Plate lost 1 mm amplitude at 85 kg compared to unloaded and really bogged down at 110 kg and above. 

John Weatherly

For those who know me, I’m now almost 8 weeks post surgery (2 small operations with the second being more intensive but both laparoscopic type surgeries).  I work with Vibration Machines so I wanted to get back onto them as soon as I was able.  I’ve been doing the full “Vibra-Train Safety program” this week and I’m finding it very hard work – similar to a new user.  Even though I’m totally familiar with the program having done it for over 3 ½ years I’m struggling to hold the positions as I’ve become detrained.  My muscles feel like burning during the sessions and I fatigue quickly.  I’m still being careful how much vibration I feel in my pelvic area – it won’t hurt me but I have an ongoing pelvic and leg nerve irritation that the vibration can set off again.

I’m excited about regaining my fitness.  Also it’s a lesson in how quickly a person becomes de-conditioned – I know from my customers and my own experience that two weeks off causes a detraining effect and I lose strength and overall fitness. 

I’ve been doing Vibration Therapy for a month but now I’m back to Vibration Training – it’s a very different thing!

Hi, I think you guys deserve major kudos for your determination in promoting safe training  not giving in to greed.

I had previously been on two other brands of vibration machines but never really understood what I was meant to do or feel. After trying the real thing I am totally hooked and convinced that this is the way to go. I only did 4 or 5 poses and the fatigue in my muscles even 24 hours later is unbelievable....this coming from someone who has been a gym member for many years.

I look forward to joining my nearest studio.

Thanks again and best wishes.

Just wanted to say thanks for all the videos on YouTube.  Its been really helpful to refresh with these and to help reinforce training for staff.  Good to see the handlebars being used also.

Hi Demon

I work for Vibra-Train (mostly mornings) and have a lot of female customers but also men and they do say, Wow, how much strength and other benefits they gain.  

We have a form that new customers fill in telling us their details and about any health or injury problems they have.  It has a disclaimer that they sign.  It depends on the country you are in if this is essential but it’s standard practise in fitness studios here.

About, 10 years time and finding that Vibration Training might be harmful – that’s almost impossible as it’s been commercially viable for ten years now and been around in one form or another for 100 years (read some of the articles on this site).  We have customers who have been with us since the beginning BUT we are absolutely strict about maintaining perfect position on the machines and following the Vibra-Train Safety Program.  They are NEVER allowed to vary from the allowed positions – not allowed to copy any position they see at another brand or studio.  

Any small injuries customers get are from being “out of position” and that can be the fault of the Instructor (there is no excuse for this!) or regular customers who get lazy with the squat position – they can get sore knees.  This quickly resolves with a few days off if needed and taking care to follow the step-by-step instructions of The Safety Program (http://www.vibra-train.com/exercises-bullet.html    http://www.vibra-train.com/exercises-explained.html)

Hi everybody,

many thanks for your valuable comments, especially Dean.

I also expect that most of my clients will be women - and I like that fact :) - I was just thinking that bodybuilders could use it very well to tone up, lose fat and increase strength to be able to lift more and thus gain more... You know, I saw so many negative comments on WBV traning from people that *never actually tried it*, all that "this cannot work, lift some weights instead, bro..." that I'd love to see some of them in my studio saying "wow, that was tough ...let's do it again" ;-D

I'll keep you informed about my progress ;-}

BTW last question - do you request your new clients to sign some paper stating that they were informed about all known contradictions to WBV plus some general agreement that they exercise on their own risk? (just in case that in 10 years somebody will find out that these machine are in fact dangerous and your clients would like to sue you :o)
 

Lloyd Shaw is often asked about his personal Vibra-Train program. 

He has great muscle definition especially abs and arms –
see http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/vibration-training-poster  (picture is a few years old and soon we’ll have a new one, looking even better)

I’ve managed to capture a Video of him doing his program – uploaded it so you can all see (sshh! don’t tell him)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PikfQv7uwwo

Hi Lloyd,

I hope you can help me.  I purchased a Vibra Pro 5500 from Vibro Slim - I wish I had read your website before buying this company.  Anyway, I Vibro Slim will not give me an answer on what speeds equal what on this machine.  I am new to vibration training and am afraid I could cause myself injury if not guessing correctly.  Can you give me some direction.

Thank you very much.

Kim Raymond

Hi Demon

I agree with Mike about  90 percent of clients being women. Just in terms of marketing, particularly initially, my advice would be to target women rather than men as this is what will bring the numbers in.  The men seem to see the results in their wives and girlfriends and then come to try it themselves.  We have however had in various bodybuilders, including a Britain Strong Man.  He saw a real increase in how much he could lift in the gym after training with us. He practically weeping during the supersquats it was so hard.   This is where the Vibra Train handlebars would be a real addition as there are more upper body exercises you could do, but Mike would be able to tell you more about that if interested. 

Demon,

Dean has some good words of wisdom...Stick with the safety programe if you want to fast track a successful operation. 90 percent of your customers will probably be woman so dont get hung up on the bodybuilder type as they will come in eventually when this thing becomes more normalised.

I run only three machines at the moment and i am the only employee.

It would be a wise investment to go and visit Phillippa it will give you a much better head start.

All the best with your new venture.

P.S If you wanted the best machines in the world you could always contact Lloyd and lease some off him

Demon

Machines- I think you made a great choice. Not only that machines produce consistent vibration with sufficient force, but the company that produce them lives by its promises.

Program- It is good that you want to give everything you can to your customers, but you should stick to 20 minute workout. The best thing for general population is that vibration training is fast. Prolonging it for even a 10 minutes will eventually become 40 minutes, and than, for them it is similar to a classical fitness training. Since it is evident that you didn't see a busy studio so far, I can just say that I need only 10 minutes to completely exhaust a professional athlete on my Bodyshaker, using nothing but safety program. That means, in general population prolonging a training will mostly means you prolong rest between exercises, which will reduce number of customers that your studio can absorb in any given time, thus forcing you to increase the price.

Competition- We are all intimidated by aggressive Powerplate marketing before we step into a everyday work. Than, the first Powerplate customers enter your studio, and you see their reaction, and you know you are doing it just right. You got stronger vibration with Bodyshakers, than you got a simple and fast program, and with this community, you got answers that Powerplate just can't give.

We have only one staff member in our studio. She does everything- from answering phone, to a payment, and training. It gets hectic from time to time, but it's manageable. We plan to employ second trainer sometime in autumn.

Our customers are not allowed to practice by themselves. The trainer must be present at all times. You think that poses in safety program are easy to hold correctly, but you are wrong. Even our regular customers require constant corrections during practice. Without that, you got week training and unsatisfied customers, at best. At worst, you got injured customers, and bad publicity.

Placing bikes could be a good idea. But think again. With 3 plates you will have 6 people in your studio in rush hours (3 working out, another 3 prepares to do so). With bikes it will increase to a 9 people, or more, with only one member of staff. Even if you increase a price, it will not cover another employee. Second, if you have studio in a business part of your city, you will get customers who will want to have their workout before or after their work hours, or during lunch break. They won't need any cycling with their vibration training. Without bicycles you don't need showers.

Since I'm a co owner of regular fitness I can tell you that bodybuilders are specific population, and you will not have a lot of them in your studio. Most of our customers are people who don't have time, or will to go to the gym, have some medical issues that prevent them to undergo classic training, or professional athletes who want to increase their performance through vibration training. Increasingly, we have regular gym customers, who undergo a vibration training once or twice a week as addition to their regular workout. Also, a lot of people are coming to vibration therapy.

Again, I strongly recommend you to to visit a busy studio which runs on safety program BEFORE you open your own. You are about to invest 22.000+ Euros in your future studio, and it needs to pay back in reasonable time. Spend few additional Euros to your own education. Go to UK, and see what and how Philippa is doing. You are also welcome to visit us.

Only now I realize how precious was those seven days spent with Philippa in her studio. I had a time to absorb basics about safety program, see long term effects of vibration training on regular customers, learn how to resolve some issues in everyday practice, and most important, made a friend who answers my phone calls and helps me when I need. 

Okay, here’s the promised video about machine plate performance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi_Dxunqpro

Vibration Training Machines – A Simple Test for Gym and Studio owners to perform

Hi Dean,

Thanks for sharing your experience. I had in fact the very same plan as you - 3 BODYSHAKERs somewhere in the centre near subway station. Every lesson 30 minutes of wallclock time consisting of 15 minutes of safe program training poses plus 5 minutes of massage poses, followed with optional another 1-30 minutes of cardio on crosstrainers to increase bodyfat reduction. I was even thinking about a similar name, something like "GOOD VIBES" or so... ;-}

30 customers a day is a lovely number but I understand that pricing is also a crucial factor here. Currently, lesson on PowerPlate with trainer is around 9 pounds here while using the machine without any advice in a big fitness studio is around 4 pounds. I’m affraid I’d have to keep prices around 5 pounds per lesson. I wonder how many staff members do I need to operate 3 machines? Of course new customers need assistance the full 30 minutes but after a few lessons I guess most of the people should be able to exercise without any help, it’ only a few poses again and again…? Anybody knows here what is the rule for this in Vibra-train branches? How many machines per one employee? :-}

BTW Do you have showers in your studio? I cannot imagine opening one without showers available for clients… but it would definitely simplify looking for a nice cheap place to rent ;-}

BTW2 Do you have some serious bodybuilders amongst your clients? Did they recognize WBV as a worthy addition to their normal training?

Many thanks, Petr

Thanks Di,

Never been far away and keep tabs almost daily. My machine - dont even want to say names these days, has two motors and is still going strong. Lloyd said if it is still going then I should be alright. So 2 years plus down the line am still enjoying it. So should I follow the video mat positions -question mark.

Saving up for the day when Lloyd decides he will start selling to the converted and faithful Bullet observers...... rueful smile