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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-01-24 12:51:55
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Why would they lie about the model type.
Clue.. Try to buy replacement parts for the Power Plate Next Generation machine, or even get it fixed. If they are trying to sell it into a commercial location this is something they do not want asked. Remember these machines are the price of a small car. They should be repairable and refurbish-able.
Power Plate have a history of doing this to the consumer.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-01-22 17:09:55
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Typical dishonest Power Plate person. In the last action they lied about where it was built. In this one they lie about the model type.
It would seem that Power Plate attract dishonest people to them. Beware someone even selling a second hand unit.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-01-22 10:26:31
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The fact is competition protects not only the industry but the consumer. But you will find some companies truly act as though having a monopoly would be their ideal.
But people with a monopoly become obsessed with protecting it, It very quickly becomes about keeping down new developments from other companies, even going to the extent of discrediting people or sometimes taking a different tact and buying designs, then shelving them .
Think about this. You are on the Board of Directors of a company that already own 100% of an industries sales. Someone comes to you with an idea to build a better machine. But that would mean a new factory, retraining staff and then promoting the new unit. The only way you could justify the expense is if the new design was so far advanced, people would just have to buy it and throw out their old one.
Note: Play-Station is a great example of this. Big leaps in technology is the best advantage to have in the market place .
But in reality that is not how innovation works, it is usually small steps over a period of time. Spread out over 50 companies these small steps are just seen as normal market place competition. But with a monopoly they have zero motivation to have small steps in innovation, so their only choice after a while is to try and lock up and stall the process. Unfortunately there is no ethical way of doing this, they must become sneaky, underhanded or outright aggressive to protect what they have.
Power Plate did this by getting their salespeople to say that ONLY Power Plate built proper machines, even going to the extent of telling people their eyeballs will explode if you use someone's else's ( un-calibrated by their experts ) product.
We have companies fear mongering at present, but trust me their motives have nothing to do with protecting the consumer. It is all about protecting their market share. Which is understandable, but its definitely not in the sciences or consumers best interests to listen to these people.
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Di Heap |
Posted On:2011-01-21 21:40:50
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This is the essence of Hyper-Competition - what Lloyd Shaw refers to as wanting and needing competition to drive our industry forward.
He says it is not about keeping knowledge to yourself out of fear of losing a sale But giving some of it away so everyone can benefit.
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Terry |
Posted On:2011-01-21 09:41:22
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Thank you for your comments
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Alejandra |
Posted On:2011-01-21 07:06:09
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I am looking forward to buy a used fit vibe excell platform, do you know where I can find one,
please let me know,
aqdesalazarQyahoo.com
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Di Heap |
Posted On:2011-01-20 10:36:58
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Golden Rules @ Vibra-Train
On our studio wall we have a list of non-negotiable rules. They serve to make the training experience enjoyable and effective. They are also useful as reminders to customers of why we do things the way we do.
The very first rule is: You MUST eat before your Vibra-Train session
Here’s a link to a fuller explanation of this rule
http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/why-eat-before-a-vibration-training-workout
I’m putting this up as a reminder to Instructors (please ask your clients if they have eaten) and to customers and intending customers who read this forum. The simplest way to eat before training is to eat a banana. It comes in its own self sealed protective casing, its non messy (except for infants) and as its high in both simple and complex carbs – it’s the simple carbs that are needed for your workout. The sugars in the banana readily enter your bloodstream and there we have it – instantly available energy source which means you won’t deplete your blood sugars after the first two or three positions; it’s easier to hold perfect form as you work through the program; you won’t become dizzy or light headed and I won’t have to pick you up off the floor; or next time you come in you won’t have to admit that you hadn’t eaten but survived the program session and then felt terrible or fainted as you walked back to work.
It is the Instructor’s responsibility to ensure you eat before your session and to refuse to let you train if you haven’t. I’ve just sent an elderly man to a local cafe. I offered him the money to by a banana from our car-parking money jar. He declined and said he would eat and then return but he was rather annoyed and replied that he was intelligent and was listening but that I needed a blood sugar monitor to prove this to him. I’m a little amused by his comments – in my first week as a Vibra-Train instructor I saw the worst of what can happen when a fit, healthy person hasn’t eaten. I hope he returns but I care more about him training in a safe, effective way. I cannot be talked out of this first basic rule and all instructors need to be the same.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-01-19 12:59:28
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Terry ...
Yes finding an old Power Plate is ideal. They were built in Holland ( same factory as Vibro-Gym now ) but once they moved production to China / India it was all downhill from there.
The only thing that would stop me from getting a VibroGym in the U.S. is lack of support. It really is a European centered brand at present.
The issue you have is the Higher Energy you want, the more engineering issues a company can have. Have you looked at DKN or Wavexercise ( only look at the steel units ) . Not up to VibroGym standards, but they have good records for reliability so far.
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Philippa Church |
Posted On:2011-01-19 10:38:40
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Hi Terry, yes vibrogym is a good bet, pro version though not domestic. Hypergravity machines have had big problems with reliabilty, I have personally experienced this, although nice machines when they work.
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Terry |
Posted On:2011-01-19 09:22:26
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Wow, read through several pages of this from the old site and new.
It is difficult to sort through all of this.
i live in the USA and would like to purchase a home unit. Previous to reading this site I was going to purchase a Power Plate Pro. I have worked out on it with my Pilates instructor. Her model must be around 5 or 8 yrs old.
I have osteopenia and I would also train on the unit.
Please recommend a unit. It sounds as if you like the Vibro Gym. How about the Hypergravity
It is difficult to make a informed decision. sigh.
Thank you for your assistance
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Dean |
Posted On:2011-01-18 20:18:11
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Gary
We constructed a poster with pictures of safety program on Bodyshaker, as a part of our studio concept. I can e-mail you this poster, so you can print it, and use it as training program for your clients. You can send me your e-mail on info@dobrevibracije.hr
But, I have to say, it is hard, if not impossible to learn how to put a client in to a proper position, and how to correct him or her during training only from pictures. You need to see it in practice, and learn it form experienced teacher. Here you are lucky, since you live in same country as Philippa. Me, I had to travel all the way to London, to see how it is done. Not that I'm complaining. It was a great experience.
Thanks again Philippa
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-01-18 16:14:59
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New articles up today....
One takes all the hearsay out of our industries testing and fighting fake specs.....
This one on the dangers of marketing over-hype, and lessons be should learn from recent history......
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-01-18 13:03:49
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Gary....
Being the single largest purchaser and placer of VibroGym Pro units to date, I will tell you the Safety Program was first tested on that exact unit. Some of our studios are still running the machines.
If you send me an email lloyd@vibra-train.com I will see if I can pull up the original pictures of me on the VG doing the poses. But some one-on-one training with Philippa is needed to really understand the precision of this form of training, and gain the confidence to teach it to others.
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Di Heap |
Posted On:2011-01-18 11:32:27
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Gary
I’m glad Phillipa has replied. Hands on learning is the very best way to go and you are close enough even if you have to take a flight to do it. In studios we are very strict about being perfect position on the machines and we get great results. I think Instructors learn best how to enforce that strictness and the small points of training through spending a day or two in a studio.
Please read the relevant articles on this website if you haven’t already and get any staff to read them too.
Also watch our instructor training videos on YouTube to get you started. http://www.youtube.com/user/VibraTrain#p/u/7/6fWoFeiPkcY
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Gary |
Posted On:2011-01-18 09:26:44
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Hi Di and Philipa, thank you for your prompt replies. We are located in South Devon, which is roughly 200 miles south of London.
Thanks again, Gary
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Philippa Church |
Posted On:2011-01-18 09:21:22
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Hi Gary, without blowing our own trumpet, I don't know of anywhere other than us who offer quality training, certainly in terms of the safety programme. You are most welcome to call me, if you email us, I will send you my mobile number. Where are you?
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Di Heap |
Posted On:2011-01-18 09:09:47
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Hi Gary
The best program for a VibroGym Pro is the Vibra-Train Safety Program.
Chart: http://www.vibra-train.com/exercises-bullet.html
Full Step by Step Instructions: http://www.vibra-train.com/exercises-explained.html
You can contact Phillipa at Resonance Vibration Training in Ampthill, Beds. She has Vibra-Train machines and I’m sure she’ll help you by phone or if you can visit you’d learn so much in a short time http://www.resonancevt.co.uk/
Note: the Vibra-Train Safety program is Safe and Effective – no random poses or movements. Your gym customers need to be fully supervised so put the VibroGym in a place where that’s possible even when they have learnt how to use it.
You can also email Lloyd Shaw at Vibra-Train in NZ for help (contact email on website) and call at any time for (free) advice and help.
Like you, I cannot recommend the VG distributor but I may have another UK contact also and will reply again when I’ve checked. It would help if we knew where in UK you are.
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Gary |
Posted On:2011-01-18 04:28:30
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I am from the UK and have just purchased a VibroGym Pro. I do not rate their training, do you know of any reputable training companies in the UK before I introduce this machine into my Gym.
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Di Heap |
Posted On:2011-01-17 13:54:31
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Vibration Training Machine Designer talks the Talk and Walks the Walk
http://www.gofigure.co.nz/doc/content/view/1190/29/
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Di Heap |
Posted On:2011-01-17 13:06:54
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Have you read this article?
What is the IVTRB?
http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/what-is-the-ivtrb
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Di Heap |
Posted On:2011-01-17 11:59:29
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From the “About” page on the old site that we abandoned:
NOTE: A significant number of articles on this site are contributed by Lloyd Shaw. Lloyd is an acknowledged expert in the field of whole body vibration.
Funny how Lloyd isn’t acknowledged in any articles now and an article has been written trying to debunk his explanations of vibration training.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-01-16 17:37:59
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Their whole limited outlook reminds me of a saying .....
Some people say the glass is half full, others say the glass if half empty. An engineer will say the glass is too big.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-01-16 10:02:41
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Victoria ..... If you fail to find anything ( I do not believe any hyper gravities are still operational in that area ) Try out a large Power Plate.
They are registered as a Level 0.5 in power, where as High Energy Lineal units tend to start at 2.0 . A properly built High Energy Lineal will also have a smoother vibration.
So you may have to use your imagination a bit.
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Victoria |
Posted On:2011-01-15 19:23:09
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We will be in San Diego at the end of January and would like to try out a variety of high energy lineal Vibration Training machines, with a view to purchasing a pro machine. Does anyone on the forum know of any gyms, spas, studios in San Diego that we could call on to try out some machines.
Thank you in advance for any help the forum can provide.
Victoria
P.S. Just heading out to catch a plane and when I return, I will properly introduce myself and share my own VT experience.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-01-15 15:18:09
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Interesting site facts.
The old site we abandoned due to ethical concerns is still getting hits, but approx 76% of its visitors come from India. And almost all global hits are bounces ( people click away very quickly ) .
Where as this site is almost exclusively hit by Australia, U.K. Canada and U.S. ( Only 0.4% of our hits come from India. ) And the average time on the site per viewer is 3min 30sec with people visiting about 3 pages per visit.
This forum is the most read page on our site.
That means that from the outside vt-net may be doing well ( rankings wise ) , but we getting to our target audience.
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ausport |
Posted On:2011-01-15 13:25:06
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I think all wars have had solders who claim to be on the front line but in real life did home guard duty.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-01-15 12:07:02
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Some History fact ...........
Power Plate filed a 12 point injunction on me in 2005. That covered every major lie they were telling at the time and I was exposing publically ( after private requests had been ignored and meet with aggression ) . The aim was to gag me from releasing any of the information I had.
The independent engineering reports that directly compared Power Plate to VibroGym and Body Shaker ended up killing their case. But it still cost me personally 10s of thousands of dollars. And the whole industry was watching so a failure could have set me back in a number of ways.
Did I ask for help...... hell yes ?
I had asked for months prior to my court case for others to do corroborating tests, from all available brands and academics I knew were heavily involved in research. But not one single person tried to help me. The best I got was a "good luck" email from some. It was all over the internet so if you had access to a computer, even searching under our industries multiple topics it came up straight away. The industry interest was high because I suppose it looked like I was about to be squashed. Power Plate themselves were heavily promoting the fact they were taking me to court.
I repeat not a single person would sign an affidavit confirming machines were being released onto the market with fake specs.
For anyone to come along now and claim to be even a small part of that discovery and process is verging on intellectual fraud. It is no better than releasing fraudulent specs on a machine in the first place. The people that sat back and let me do all the work, and take all the risk ( both in reputation and financial ) , or the "Johnny come lately" types that are now miraculously claiming they also did it, but just failed to record it or tell anyone alive ? are full of it.
The short term gains and misplaced respect they get from these claims, will not serve them well long term.
Ausport..... Is there something legally that can be done ?
Even if there were it would only be local to that country and only probably reported on once. These people almost rely on people having short memories. We are a global community that can apply constant pressure and education over a very long period of time. Since they are using the international gray area of the internet to make such claims, it is only fitting it is used to expose them.
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ausport |
Posted On:2011-01-15 10:59:36
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Isnt there something legally that can be done
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Philippa Church |
Posted On:2011-01-14 19:43:13
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That's great. I would really like to know more about how pivotals can be used alongside lineals in a normal studio setting. Have been trying, and failing, to get hold of a quality second hand pivotal for ages.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-01-14 19:18:33
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This year over half my work is going to be in training and safety guidelines for Pivotal machines. And making sure all studios have decent Pivotal units on the floor working alongside, not in competition with Lineal machines.
That side of the industry has been poorly neglected and seems to be run by "fear of losing a sale" over creating a healthy mature industry. It has been sad to watch ignorance and greed triumph over common sense, but some standards will be set this year that will change all of that.
I can only apologize for thinking they would ever work together.
I will be working closely with a few existing Pivotal companies to bring like minded industry players together, and form alliances that will speed up our goal of making all forms of Vibration Training a safe and reliable form of exercise.
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