Thank you for your answers to my previous question. Now please, if any one of you knows anything about 

Gobus My Power home vibration platform from www.gymworld.co.uk - 977 pounds

DKN XG5 - 1250 pounds

Ultim8 Pro from www.ultim8fitness.co.uk - 1499 pounds

or

POWERX Active 3.5 from www.vibrationsplatte.de - 1745 pounds

I m specially interested in Globus it seems that could be a good machine for my mother with good specs from an italian sport manufacturer. But i dont know if what is on paper is real too. Any based on knowledge advice is much appreciated. Thank you very much in advance.
 

Amj

Based on your comments, i would go for a second hand vibrogym pro or bodyshaker pro. You would be hard pressed to platue on either of these units provided you followed the vibratrain safety programe to the letter.

I have been running vibrogym pros for over 3 years now in a very busy studio with no problem.

The bodyshaker junior is just a bit below power from the vibrogym pro but wouldstillbe a great unit for home

For anyone considering buying a home machine and looking at the higher force, bigger ones.  They are by far the best for training but just be sure your home is able to take the vibration of the machine and your neighbours are not going to be badly affected.

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/your-home-machine-and-your-neighbours

A small add to the previous post - a rubber mat that fits the platform of the machine is recommended for when body parts other than feet are in contact with the plate, eg the push-up, pelvic stability, triceps dip. It really adds to comfort so if you dont get one supplied with the machine ask if its available or buy one elsewhere to fit.  A small mat for the knees for basic push-up is also good.

Here’s the Vibra-Train Safety Program for use with lineal machines – the step by step instructions are linked at the bottom of the page.  You must follow the instructions fully, always step-by-step, no shortcuts so you start in perfect position.  Then make sure you hold that position, correcting during the minute as necessary.  Print out the instructions and pictures and have someone watch over you.

Because of the shape of the machine you will need to hold the Wide Stance squat without the support of knees around the handlebars so you must ensure you hold your knees in position and not let them drift inwards. You can stand sideways for position 6, the Stretch. Guys cannot sit on lineal vibration machines – you’ll get hit hard where you don’t want to be (think about it!) – it’s great for women and gives fast results.  Also we do not do Position 7 - the Lunge in our studios now, it’s covered up on our posters.  Many people cannot hold the position so the risks outweigh the benefits.

If you can get into http://www.resonancevt.co.uk/   and do some sessions there they will instruct you but that depends where in U.K. you live.

Here’s an interesting article written by Lloyd Shaw about Vibration Training and Precise Joint Angles

Hi Mike,  

My budget isn’t too great, sub 2000 GBP, mainly because I’m a bit vary of spending a lot on something which I may outgrow, or stop using. Also, not sure of the long term reliability of these machines. I’d pay more if I could be sure of getting a platform that I could use for a good few years.

In terms of current cost in the UK:

VibroGym Pro – Approx 5800 but can be bought used for 2500 – 3000

BodyShaker Pro  - Approx same price as VibroGym

BodyShaker Junior – 3600

DKN XG10 – 1800

 So as you can see I can get a second/used VibroGym Pro for the cost of a new DKN, with the BodyShaker Junior somewhere in between.

Decisions….decisions…. 

Lloyd,

Thanks for the feedback. In your list, did you mean the Body Shaker (Pro) or the Junior?

I was getting the power ratings from specs on websites, hence the "on paper" comment.

The Body Shaker Junior model, according to their website, has 2.7KN of force as opposed to their current pro model which has 3.9KN (although I been told they have a new pro model being released in the UK shortly).

The VibroGym Pro also states a force of 3.9KN, but the DKN only list a G Force, which my maths isn't up to converting :)

Unfortunately I haven't been able try any of these machines yet.

Hi Lucian,

 I believe Resonance VT follow Lloyds Training program, http://www.resonancevt.co.uk/ , not sure if there are any others.

Can I ask where you purchased your platform and how much for?

Did you try any others out? 

Hi to everyone and a very big Thank You Lloyd for sharing with us all this information about vibration training. Based on everything a have learnt from you, I just bought a VibroGym pro. Now Lloyd, please recommend someone from the UK who can teach me how to use this machine properly. Thank you in advance for your time and I really appreciate everything what you are doing in here. Thank you.

Where would the Wave Contour Plus place in that list.

AMJ

What is your budget

Thanks Di and Lloyd. It is sounding like I would not be going wrong with the medium energy lineal machine. I would love to hear from Mike if he is willing to share his thoughts, but I think I have narrowed my choices to the DKN XG10 and the Wave Contour Plus.

As for my wife, to be honest, I am not sure I will be able to convince her of the benefits of vibration, but if I can, general fitness and weight loss would be her goals.

I am also interested in learning more about why static positions are recommended over moving. If I recall correctly, many of the studies I have read on the benefits of WBV for athletes were done with athletes moving actively on the platform.

Thanks.

Haim

I’m hoping Mike Hair will comment as his studio had both types of machine side by side.  You also haven’t told us much about your wife and her needs. 

I’ve just had a full studio over lunchtime of 30-40 year old women, some longtime customers , some very new, others second or third time and they are getting great results on the lineal machines.

Haim

Results are what we all want – you have asked for a comparison of Medium Force Lineal to High Speed Pivotal. 

They are different modes, however I found using a High-Speed Pivotal it had a feel similar to lineal – that is its pivot was so fast it was barely noticeable – but only when used at the faster settings.  It felt similar though it was NOT the same

and for results, as an instructor I’ve only seen muscle quality and growth increases from using lineal machines.  High-speed pivotal gives fitness and if you use a full dynamic program.

On Medium force Lineal machines we recommend the Vibra-Train safety Program of completely static (not moving) positions.

It is safe for your athletic children to use the machines.  Again my leaning would be to lineal and the only restriction is that they take instruction and understand they must remain in perfect position during the entire time of each position. Don’t force them to use the machines in my opinion, they’ll know if its working for them.  I have a 13 year old netball player who I train regularly twice a week . She loves it and has developed real power in her arms and legs.  Some other young people don’t like it.

How does a medium energy lineal like the DKN XG10 compare to  premium speed pivotal machines like the Galileo for strength training and fat loss.

I like the DKN, and I found a pretty good deal on one, but I want to make sure I am purchasing a machine that will serve my purposes. Are there better options.

Thanks.

Haim

Hi Lloyd.

Thanks for the advice on the achilles treatment.

Would you suggest 40 Hz Hi Amp for all massage treatment. It seemed pretty effective in exercise six on the bullet chart for back muscle strain.

Would it be possible to suggest a range of effective settings for various massage requirements or should it always be ailment specific.

My training partner is going for physio on Tuesday for the post op achilles rupture. I will keep you updated on his progress. Hes been itching like crazy with the vibration treatment so it does seem to be doing its job of bringing blood to the area.

He is wanting to do the vibration twice a day for 2 minutes each time. Is this ok.

Thanks again.

Thanks for the reply Di. Yes, I did look at the DKN. My presumption is that the premium speed pivotal is superior to a medium energy lineal, although my thinking may not be correct. I also presume that a high energy lineal such as the Body Shaker would likely be far beyond my budget and may be difficult to source here in California.

Neither I nor my family have any health concerns, although I am interested in knowing if there are any safety concerns for children ages 10 and 12 using vibration.

Thanks again. I appreciate any information you are willing to share.

Haim

Have you checked out the DKN-XG10?  It is a lineal unit not as powerful as the Vibra-Train I work with but it is reliable.

Why did you choose pivotal to meet your families goals?  Do you have any injury or health concerns to consider?  Where in USA are you?

Hi Lloyd,

I want to thank you for this site. I was VERY close to purchasing a Power Plate machine until I came across it. I must admit that at first I took your comments as possibly being those of a disgruntled former employee, but as I pored over your forum, it has become clear that you are a man of integrity and truly trying to help consumers make informed decisions. Again, I thank you for that.

Now that I am convinced that Power Plate is not the right machine for me, I am left with the problem of trying to figure out which of the many remaining options out there would be my best choice. I am looking for a machine that can produce a significant training effect for, myself, my athlete children, and my wife. I read your machine reviews, and take it that a premium speed pivotal speed machine would be the minimum for my goals. My budget is in the 3K to 5K USD range, but I would consider spending more if there is value in the upgrade. 

At this point I am a little confused as to what to do now. I have read through your forum for recommendations, but several machines that you recommended at one point, you have become dissatisfied with later for one reason or another. I am also not sure how to determine, based on the manufacturers info, if a machine is a premium speed pivotal or a medium energy lineal. The pictures in the review help, but I have not been able to identify each machine depicted. I would sincerely appreciate any recommendations or advice  you are willing to give me. I am in the USA.

Thanks again for the great site.

Haim