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Hi Philippa...I live in Fredericton New Brunswick Canada
PhilippaChurch
Posted On:2010-02-03 03:07:58
Where are you based Ken
Helen
Posted On:2010-02-03 03:06:47
I am also using a T Zone machine and have to say, I have lost an incredible 35 pounds since I started using it. No other change to my exercise or diet. Ignore all these idiots here saying vibration machines don't help with weight loss, I am living proof.
ken
Posted On:2010-02-03 02:18:47
I have used a vibration machine for the first time in my life this month and am enjoying same. The business is called T Zone Vibration. Has anyone heard of this business. Do they have quality vibration machines. Where can I find the stats for the machines as they are not on the company site. I would like to buy a unit but like everyone else I dont want to get ripped off.
Ken F.
RitchieHaldane
Posted On:2010-02-03 01:41:32
Lexz
Phillipa asking a question is not new. In amongst all the bickering perhaps she thought she would use the forum for something constructive, and of course gained your criticism. I know many people who use Lloyd for his knowledge, as do I. There are enough fools on here setting Lloyd up with their ignorance, such as yourself. He doesnt need to put people up to things.
So in other words, we can ask questions if we wish and you can go to another forum and argue where you have a chance of winning. Phillipa isnt pretending to be an expert. And neither am I. The more I learn, the more I realise there is to learn.
Lloyd on the other hand is an expert. If you actually knew him, you would know this. I remember a day when he was asked go on radio, and the station surprised him by having a doctor appear unanounced. Lloyd made her look stupid, she ended up agreeing with 95 percent of what he said and no doctor will take him for the hell of it ever again.
Lloyd on a forum can win these debates, but in person, he would destroy. That is something you have yet to appreciate.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-02-02 20:03:32
Speak for yourself about the supermodel bit.
Have you ever seen my legs ?
PhilippaChurch
Posted On:2010-02-02 19:56:26
So let me see so far...
We are being criticised for not being a size 8 supermodel. Damn! I forgot to read the part of the training manual that said there was a direct link between knowledge, ability, experience and size. Potatoes in the bin - lettuce leaf at the ready. Next - asking a question to meet changing needs. Again silly me - I didn't know there was a time limit by which time you had to know everything. If only Einstein had known that he might have worked a bit quicker! I'll put a sign up today on the door stating clearly that no new conditions can come in. Then we have building a machine in your bedroom. Oh Lloyd - how could you think of anything so depraved - should think you're still reeling from that attack! Laser cutting under the bedclothes - Oh my! My favourite is Lloyd's ability to jet round round the world in seconds to make the posts under his varous aliases. See - Lloyd it's not only you who thinks you're Superman - they do too. Looking forward to seeing what the next crippling blow will be. Bad hair? Eyes too close together? Mother looks like a horse? Let's see...
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-02-02 14:50:07
No, believe it or not Philippa had not had anybody through before with Parkinson's. And yes she is meant to post all the queries online so everybody can see the answer. Do you think we should keep it secret ?
And I think you will be surprised at the lack of support some Vibration Training companies offer after the sale has gone through. Ask Philippa what kind of answer she would have gotten from HyperGravity ?
Like it or not, this is going to end up to be the top source for info on the net. I took the last site to #1 and that wasn't even laid out well. I have only released about 10% of my work so far, so this will end up a huge library in the future, linked to other sites I am developing.
You have seen nothing yet.
Di Heap
Posted On:2010-02-02 11:23:48
MrFuzz
You're right, I'm overweight. I lost a lot of fat then gained a lot last NZ winter because I over-ate badly, lots of carbs etc.
You see, I am a REAL person, prone to put on weight due to medical factors and over-eating. I'm not a sporty person except for some walking and running races. I am your regular everyday person and I am the overweight person that Vibra-Train machines were initially designed for. Actually I'm not so big but I could have become that way.
Vibration Training on high force machines, and for me specifically on Vibra-Train machines has worked exactly as it was designed to. Even after an accident a year ago which caused me to lose muscle mass (went from 120% down to almost 100% - which is okay but not what I want) I kept my high strength and I've built up to 120% muscle again through a time of personal change and winter illnesses. I no longer have the weight related health problems had 3 years ago.
Thanks for giving me the opportunity to say all this. And you, MrFuzz, what's your condition? Are you Mr Perfect? Do you have a training method so amazing that you read and post on a forum, even when on holiday as I am
Willie Nugent
Posted On:2010-02-02 11:20:13
Lez, Mr.Fuzz and Colin,
Have any of you actually tried WBV on a decent steel platform? It doesn't sound like you have as if you had you would not be so skeptical about the industry.
I am a 41 year old guy who less than 12 months ago purchased a Bodyshaker machine and have lost app.36lbs of fat. My strength has increased substantially and my mobility and flexibility are greatly enhanced. I do not take part in any other form of training as i am still around the 350lb mark. I researched lots of machines and was lucky enough to try most if not all of the major brands except Vibra-Train as they had no machines in the UK at that time. I must say i was very happy with my purchase of the Bodyshaker and with the results i have got from it but recently i was lucky enough to go to ResonanceVT (run by Phillippa Church) who have Vibra-Train machines. I was warmly welcomed and treated in a caring and professional manner by Phillipa and her staff.
The difference between the Bodyshaker (who i think would be in the top 4-5 brands worldwide) was astonishing no other word could describe it. I can do 60 seconds in all of Lloyds safety program on the Bodyshaker but on the Vibra-Train machine i was suffering at 40 seconds and ready to collapse at 50 seconds and infact had to stop on several of the poses. I am now thinking about training at ResonanceVT full time as i can clearly see the massive difference in the Vibra-Train machines and philosophy and am sure i would have lost a lot more fat by now if i had visited earlier.
I urge you to try a Vibra-Train machine and then come back and tell me your thoughts.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-02-02 11:19:35
Sal was invited to make a comment on this study and article but declined.......
For someone so full of himself before, he sure ran away quickly when confronted by something that contradicts everything he had been saying for the last 3 years.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-02-02 10:31:26
MrFuzz ...
I am a mortician, and I will tell you now. It probably saved Di's life in the long run. Because of her injuries she could do no other form of exercise. Remember when she first came in here it was as a skeptical customer after no-one else could help her.
That is the epitome and definition of success in Vibration Training
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-02-02 10:24:03
These are statements made by SAL MARINELLO ....
WBV shouldn’t be taken seriously.”
“WBV does nothing to improve muscle tone and balance”
“it doesn’t matter what company makes this type of machine, as they are all junk.”
“in an effort to clarify, I think wbv is garbage. the different machines are just different brands of garbage.”
” the fantasy of WBV.”
“WBV is useless “
And this was before he had ever seen or tried it. So what he was really saying is " I don't understand how it could work, so it cant work " He then went around trying to find research that was done on crappy machines to back up his stance. But now with so many other experts stating that Vibration Training is as least as good as resistance training he has backed right off. And he wont answer any questions now leveled at him.
But his comments have been recorded, and will be part of a series of articles I am going to write were people like him are exposed for what they are. Named and shamed as idiots.
Im not sure why sal is not on your Black List either.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-02-02 09:37:47
MrFuzz..
I would normally delete such comments, but I will leave it up there so our readers can see what kind of cowardly creeps we have to deal with. You let your team down with such statements.
P.S. Di Heaps BCA tests for muscle mass is very good for someone who does no resistance training.
Mrfuzz
Posted On:2010-02-02 09:17:52
Maybe you should use Di Heap as a ginue pig. I've noticed she has plenty of weight to loose
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-02-02 08:47:06
Richard....
I suppose I should ask your opinion on the subject so we can all understand your motives for being here.
(1) Do you think Vibration Training works ?
(2) Do you understand how it would work in principle ?
(3) Have you tried it, if so where and what brand ?
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-02-02 08:20:23
I told the entire industry years ago, as companies drop the arrogance and read my work for what it is, and start building better machines. You will see better results in the research.
And the good thing about this is time will prove me 100% right. I have engineering tests, research results and Power Plates own specs from 2004. And Power Plates top academic spokesperson stating " Amplitude is everything...it is gold dust " That was Power Plates holy grail of Vibration Training.
I said the opposite, that " Amplitude only plays a small part in the overall equation ". Either the all powerful and smart academics were right, or I was, a mortician.
Philippa has seen the arrogance of another companies "expert" come in, and not be able to face the fact they obviously did not understand this science, as well as they had convinced themselves ( and other people ) they did.
Nothing changes.......
“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 - 1860).
It has all been documented, just in case they try to "forget" how difficult they made it for me to do my work.
PhilippaChurch
Posted On:2010-02-02 07:47:37
Richard, you have hit on one of the most frustrating aspects of our industry; the lack of major studies done on decent, reliable machines. I have a studio with Vibra-trains and have seen time and time again people losing weight, gaining muscle, recovering from long standing injuries and joint problems and re-discovering mobility. You only have to read our testimonials , with full names given, to see it works. www.resonancevt.co.uk .
We would LOVE someone to come and do research on Vibra-trains but these kind of studies cost a huge amount and and require the backing of a red-brick institution to carry much weight. In the meantime we can only convince people by first hand experience and by seeing the results in their friends and relations. There is no-one who come for a free trial who leaves doubting the machines' ability to fatigue the muscles. No-one.
My request to you would be simply to try it yourself on a good machine and then doubt it. Where are you based? Once you have you may be able to persuade some illustrious institution to conduct a full-on study and make us all very happy!
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-02-02 07:33:43
Richard.....
The "proof by any scientific standard" you ask for I have seen to date in my industry is pathetic, to a point you are forced to wonder if is some of them are missing some stuff upstairs. Their version of "proof" means nothing to me as my standards are much higher than theirs, and I am so far ahead of them in the understanding and practicalities this science I can afford to be arrogant about it.
I predicted that past research by your "academic" community would be pulled to pieces, shown to be full of logical errors, and actually hold back our industry. And I was right. On top of this they have done nothing to forward the industries understanding of Vibration Training or given companies the ability to build better machines. Their only use so far has been for advertising purposes.
So we will cover that again........ THE ONLY USE THEY HAVE BEEN TO ANYONE ARE MARKETERS
But that's just my opinion right , what about cold hard facts. Well Power Plate came on hard and heavy in my country with tons of "peer reviewed research" and lots of marketing money. I did practically no marketing and just went about building better machines. And what happened, I crushed them ! Their science, their experts and their machines are now a joke on my country. But they ticked all the right boxes for your "proof by any scientific standard" .
So how did I beat them ? Simple, the consumer got on Power Plate, and went " that's interesting", they then got on mine ....... and stayed on . They voted with their wallets.
Now all companies are trying to build better machines, but not because of their "research / marketers", but because of competitive pressure. I met with a top PP person last year ( Mark Minter ) , and he said everything I had predicted when I was their Product Manager was right, and they should have listened. Moving to China was a mistake and the science had not been completed. When I left I took all my ideas with me and I will continue to do things my way. Regardless of your opinion of my work Richard .
Now remember this is a industry conversation site, not a company site. But if you go to my own company site, what does it say under research.......
The reason we have removed the existing research is this; our units are built to a standard we believe has not been seen in the industry to date, instead most research has been done on machines we have not been given the full engineering tests for so we believe it unethical to repeat the test results until such time as these standards have been meet.
John
Posted On:2010-02-02 06:50:57
I just received some confidential information from a researcher who has been involved with several studies on Power Plate with one actually going on right now. This information has not been presented or published yet and I promised I would not say anything about this until then. So stay tuned folks.
John Weatherly
Di Heap
Posted On:2010-02-02 02:03:59
Richard
Do you still not understand?The designer and maker of a product do their own product testing, manufacturing checks and performance reviews.
They do NOT do scientific/academic review on their own product.
You can argue all you like but the proof that new customers want is in seeing other customer’s results.
BCA tests are an added bonus because the “before” and “after (3-6 months)” results cannot be faked.Winning competitions as some of our athletes have done is a bonus.Bone density improvement as shown by DEXA is a bonus. Improved/normalised blood test results is a bonus for me and I don’t need academic research to help me see that 3 years of Vibra-Train has given me the physical strength and good blood test results I now have.
Richard
Posted On:2010-02-01 21:04:28
Lloyd, you and your choir have a number of times stated that is proven that your machines will change body composition. So a simple YES or NO question Lloyd. This proof that you refer to, would it be considered proof by any scientific standard anywhere in the world? By not answering this question directly with a YES or NO answer, will be taken as a NO.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-02-01 15:35:17
For a bunch of guys who seem to hold academia high, you sure don't seem to like to read and educate yourselves. Too much effort I suppose. Or let me guess, you only read stuff that is going to fortify what you already think you know. A contradiction or something you don't understand is automatically discounted.
Kinda proves our point for us don't you think ?.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-02-01 15:18:59
Colin....
But I think Mike takes it for granted people can read and follow instructions. Like at the top of this page.
EG... Please read through the articles that cover your questions, or topic of conversation before posting, as understanding the basics give the community a better chance of helping you.
AKA... We help those who help themselves.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-02-01 15:14:11
I have done no weight training or any other form of exercise now since mid 2005. The aim was to do 5 years with absolutely no other stimulation to my body other than my machines. My diet consist of kebabs and other such healthy fare.
It is a personal experiment and not something I would recommend to the average user. For me as a designer knowing what its limitations are is just as important as what what it can accomplish. And it has been surprising on a number of levels. The first thing I had to do was spot all the things that were missing in the pre-1999 work. Once I had written my theory I built the machines in accordance with them. Going in a completely different direction than standard practice.
I am getting another shot done on my 42nd birthday in 2 weeks to compare.
Then later this year I move to the next phase in my designs to athletic 100% bio-mechanical machines. And see if my other theories are correct. As always time will tell.
Colin
Posted On:2010-02-01 15:03:24
Lloyd This is what mike said
I worked out on the vibrogym for 2 years at 40hz. They kept me in good toned shape but never put on muscle size.
After using the vibra-train at 43hz for only a matter of weeks my muscles where much fuller and bigger. I am an ex bodybuilder and do nothing else but vibration training, so i know this machine alone set on 43hz works.
Henz
Posted On:2010-02-01 14:54:36
Yes, that is a very muscular body in the picture. Lloyd, has this been acheived from Vib training alone? Do you do any or have you done any weight training that would contribute to this ?
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-02-01 14:51:16
I would also like to add...
I am the only designer who also writes material to explain in plain English why I do things. And I usually articulate it in such a way that common sense or general knowledge is used during these "thought experiments " . I do not just say, "It vibrates so it works, trust me "
In other words, name 1 theory I have released, that was not backed up by an article which explained said theory.
Colin......
Please, please read my work before asking questions like that. The Fq has nothing to do with Mike results.
What I find really interesting- Is that Mike Hair says after training for 2 yrs he didn't see any results (coming from a ex body builder) but yet moving up only 3 Hertz he noticed massive gains in a matter of 2 weeks. Is this possible.I mean i did do weights in my younger days and know if takes months and months to see a change in yourself with hard training of heavy weights yet you achieved this so quick by just adding in 3 more hertz to the vibrating plate of a machine.If this is true then I think you might have hit the jackpot in your theory's. I mean this is a major breakthrough and call for the press to know more .Please call the British journal Mike and put New Zealand on the map as leading inovaters. You are bound to get a grant from the Govt for further testing
