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For those who know I had surgery, I am still following a Therapy (not Training) program on the Vibra-Train machines.I have no major cuts so I can use the machines for an assisted squat using side handle bars BUT I am still standing on three layers of rubber mat.I’m still taking most of the pressure through my arms; my feet are barely on the mat but now I am allowing more vibration feeling through my legs.I’ve added in a kneeling push up position ( Number 2 on The Vibra-Train Safety Programwww.vibra-train.com/exercises-vt.html ) and the pelvic stability/plank (Number 5).The two extra positions are only possible because one of the machines has a high platform (distance from ground) so no stress is placed on my pelvic area of surgery.
I do NOT recommend that anyone follow my specific use of the machines after surgery.Vibration Therapy after medical procedures is very specific to the individual and what machines are available to them.In fact I can see that it will months before I am able to do the regular program again even though my surgeries were basically laparoscopic.
I’m really thankful to Vibra-Train and specifically to Lloyd who designed the machines for use as a Therapy platform as well as for Vibration Training. The shape of the platform and the vibrating handlebars are specifically designed.(I’m not just biased because I work and use these platforms, I’ve tried many of the others).
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-06-30 21:08:43
I always wondered what Chuck Norris was up to now.
I cant compete with that. I give up.
Dean
Posted On:2010-06-30 17:59:33
Lloyd, thanks for the videos. They cleared some issues in our studio.
I found this video (among tons of others) on you tube. This guy is amasing. I wonder why he needs a vibration plate at all?
Our old friend Scott Hopson, former worldwide educator for Power Plate, is now on the International Advisory Committee for the International Youth Conditioning Association. I have not heard of this organization until just recently. The site is www.iyca.org. With Scott associated with them, given his past at Power Plate misleading people and not answering basic questions, it makes very suspicious of this organization.
John Weatherly
MikeHair
Posted On:2010-06-28 11:34:44
LMAO, i would love to see that guy that Demon asked about do the same poses on a real Vibra-Train machine, just to teach the guy a lesson.
Its no wonder people get confused about the poses when they see stuff like that.
Yes he is just primarily jamming his joints together. The only saving grace is the machine he is on is too weak to do much damage.
This kind of pose should be done a a wobble board. No vibration needed to make it work and be safe.
Demon
Posted On:2010-06-25 10:48:41
Hi,
Am I correct if I say that this guy is doing it completely wrong? For most of the exercise time he is having all his body weight on one *straight* leg which causes that the platform vibrations are not compensated by muscles but in his overloaded hip joint?
http://www.youtube.com/user/vibrationplate#p/a
Di Heap
Posted On:2010-06-24 11:52:43
Note: Using three layers of solid, rubber mat on the platform to limit the vibration force is individual to my needs at this stage in my recovery.Always seek expert advice if using a vibration machine for therapy after surgery.
Di Heap
Posted On:2010-06-24 10:21:03
I’m recovering from surgery –Later I’ll be writing an article on how I’m using Vibration Therapy to stimulate circulation, relax muscles and nerves, and help with healing and strength.
For now – I’ve progressed from sitting on a chair in front of the Vibra-Train machine with my feet on the front edge of the platform (45 degree angle, designed for this purpose) to using the same machine for a side handle-bar assisted Therapy Squat.This is the “Ski the Slopes” position of the Vibra-Train Standard Safety Program(www.vibra-train.com/exercises-vt.html) BUT it’s important to note that I’m using three layers of solid rubber mat on the platform to limit the force of the vibration.Also by using the side, vibrating handlebars I’m getting a training response in my arms while at the same time minimising the force into my pelvic and stomach region.I’m currently doing only 3 x 60 second “Ski” poses with at least 5 minutes between each.
Remember that Vibration Training is very hard work equivalent to heavy weights training at the gym. After surgery it’s important not to rush back into training.A person can begin training again when their surgeon or doctor says they can return to exercise.Then a few sessions doing only the “Basic Squat” or “Ski the Slopes” position maybe 3-5 times with rest between can be a good start although some people can return to the full program right away.
Vibration Therapy – specific, stimulation instead of regular training can be helpful to promote healing in the time before a person can return to regular Training.I have my surgeon’s permission to do this and being an Instructor I was keen to get back onto the machines.I’ve seen how they’ve helped others recovery, now I’m experiencing it myself, being careful and guided by my response to each 60 second position on the machine.Home users should ensure they have their physicians permission and/or qualified advice before using a vibration machine after surgery and that the machine they will be using is right (type and quality) for the response they want to achieve.
Michelle
Posted On:2010-06-23 18:13:42
Thank you... I will check them out
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-06-23 10:09:31
For something that actually works for weightloss.
A Vibro-Gym or a Body-Shaker.
Michelle
Posted On:2010-06-22 23:43:01
Thank you Lloyd, I appreciate your prompt response.
It is not a training machine, it is for Physio and increased circulation work only. The reason it is blacklisted is because the people who sell them deliberately mislead people about the machines specs and capabilities. Here in N.Z. you can pick them up very cheap second hand after people figure out they have been ripped off.
The Maxxuss V800. is also a Low Speed Pivotal.
Michelle
Posted On:2010-06-22 19:47:01
Hi,
I live in South Africa and am interested in purchasing a Crazy Fit Machine for the purpose of weight loss. I have lost almost 90 pounds in the past 4 years but I am stuggling with the last 20 pounds. I was hoping this machine would help. Having just seen that the Crazy Fit is on your BLACKLIST, I am concerned and was wondering if you could please be so kind as to clarify why it has been blacklisted.
The only other alternative that I know of here in SA is VERY expensive R7000 for a Maxxuss V800.
I would appreciate your input on this matter before I go ahead.
Many thanks.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-06-22 16:00:49
A nice little review of Power Plate VS Vibro-Gym from a trainer called Brett Marsden Crosby.
A pleasure to see composition, intensity and vibration direction to be the defining factors in the review from someone able to see through the BS from Power Plate.
Mike Hair
Posted On:2010-06-17 16:48:17
Interesting facts about strength gains....
One of my customers who has done martial arts for most of his life and has been lifting weights for about 20 years, told me today that he has increased his strength gains by about 20% on every lift when doing weights.
He stated that he was stuck with the weights he was doing for a long time but after only a few months at vibra-train he was able to move on and increase his weights, one very happy customer!!
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-06-16 08:53:01
No he reads them alright.
He just picks and chooses points that fit his predetermined ideas. Lately the worst thing he could point out was comments like " that the application of this technology has no advantages over traditional strength training methods."
Meaning its on a par with normal weights which is not exactly a negative.
Note: I think the time factor should be applied to conclusions in these studies. As 10 mins Vibration Training as opposed to 1 -- 1/2 Hrs pushing weights I would list as a major advantage. Especially for athletes short on time.
John
Posted On:2010-06-16 07:19:29
A study by Hazell et al. in the June 2010 JSCR showed increased muscle activity when WBV was added to squats for both loaded and unloaded conditions. Guys like Sal must never read research journals. Or, if they do read journals, they cannot comprehend what they read. There is way too much positive evidence in the literature for any educated person to claim vibration is a complete crock like Sal did.
The Hazell et al. abstract can be read at www.nlm.nih.gov, click on PubMed, and type in vibration exercise for search words.
John Weatherly
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-06-15 17:25:18
I would normally just be inclined to think he was a bit thick.
But the fact he seeked out and reviewed the SoloFlex as a Vibration Training platform, "after" he obtained information from us it was fake. Then refused to tests a real machine makes him look more dishonest than anything else. It must be noted that before he had even laid eyes on a machine he had publically stated .............
" Vibration Training .....is based in fake science "
He then spent the next 4 years trying to justify his lack of understanding something that is not that complicated. Something that someone with his claimed qualifications should have at least understood the theory of. I always told him time and science was on our side and he will be made the poster boy for ignorance and arrogance.
Mike Hair
Posted On:2010-06-15 16:38:03
Fantastic work Lloyd.... It amuses me how people like Sal think that being dishonest will never catch up with them.
After never trying a proper high energy lineal machine Sal proceeded to tell people that they don't work and in the process may have influenced a lot of people from actually getting off the couch and saving there own lives.
I thank God that you, Lloyd, never forget... Sal needs to be made an example of...
I take particular offense about what he says, and all my customers do too, he is basically calling us stupid by saying this technology does not work. The amount of muscle i have personally put on since using this technology is awesome, the guys that put in the hard yards while training with me have not only grown bigger in muscle size but also increased there strength heaps.
One woman in particular could not do one press up when she first arrived six months later with no other training she can now do 30 press ups on her toes.
So Sal, I am personally looking forward one day to meeting face to face and hearing how you got it so so wrong!
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-06-15 12:08:49
For anyone thinking putting in effort to expose Sal Marinello for what he is, is unprofessional or over the top.
This guy singled our people by name, called them liars and simple minded, if they had anything positive to say about Vibration Training. Using his power and friends at Blog-Critics to bully and censor all those who questioned his expertise. He did some very unethical things to stop people finding out the truth.
He needs to be knocked off his perch.
But it is also important to note that a number of industry experts have also made statements with ulteriour motives in mind...
From what I have read researchers and academics do get very specific about particular fqs and amplitudes when they start trying to sell something.
This from Dr Clinton Rubin of Juvent
Please note that our research has no relationship whatsoever with the technology or claims made by vibration plates used for exercise and physical training and manufactured by companies such as Galaxy, Galileo, Power-Plate, NEMES, etc. The magnitudes used in those devices, well in excess of 8.0g, are well beyond the limits recommended for human tolerance by ISO and OSHA, are 35 times greater in amplitude than those mechanical signals that we study, are perhaps dangerous, and to my knowledge, there is little if any evidence that their devices do anything good to bone. These devices are DANGEROUS, and the consequences of use have never been studied in any form.
This from Scott Hopson of Power Plate
Amplitude is everything,” is what Power Plate’s Hopson said at a seminar at the March 2006 IHRSA conference, running down a laundry list of everything it does. “This,” he added to the group of trainers and club managers, “is gold dust.”
They both use research as their basis for an argument, but I think it is obvious where the attitude really comes from. They will both ignore antidotal evidence on the street because it doesn’t suit their sales strategy.
Di Heap
Posted On:2010-06-15 11:56:23
To Sal, I ask, "If Vibration Training doesn't do anything then why am I currently experiencing a serious de-training effect while I'm not able to use the Vibra-Train machines and it's only been three weeks?"
I'd been training three times a week and being so familiar with the machine action I'd doubled up on a few of the positions - I was an advanced user. No other training apart from walking a mile home from work. Now I have muscle aches, especially biceps, triceps and quads and I'm watching my arm muscles literally fall apart (I was very proud of my biceps so I'm not happy). I can't explain this by any lack of daily activity as I wasn't doing anything that would build muscle. Inactivity and drugs might be contributing to muscle loss but how did I get the high muscle percentage I had if Vibration Training is useless and a gimmick?
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-06-15 09:57:58
Once again to clarify Sal Marinello's comments regarding the development of these machines. Such was his resistance to new ideas he went to the length of writing almost a dozen articles telling people to not even try Vibration Training for themselves. Completely unethical and obviously had motives beyond protecting the consumer.
"Vibration Training shouldn’t be taken seriously.”
“Vibration Training does nothing to improve muscle tone and balance”
“it doesn’t matter what company makes this type of machine, as they are all junk.”
“in an effort to clarify, I think Vibration Training is garbage. the different machines are just different brands of garbage.”
” the fantasy of Vibration Training.”
“Vibration Training is useless “
" Vibration Therapy is a gimmick, plain and simple, I cant see one positive about it "
If anyone else put more time and effort into stopping our industry develop, I am unaware of them. Sal Marinello is someone I am going to be publically targeting in the future because of the deliberate and persistent action he took against us. The public need to be aware that people like this exist, and are allowed to write articles.
He needs to be exposed as an intellectual fraud and not qualified to critic anything more complicated than a rock.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-06-15 09:37:29
What Dr Brendan Humphries , a Senior Lecturer within
CQUniversity’s School of Health and Human Performance in the
Faculty of Arts, Health and Science has to say about Vibration Training.......
Dr Humphries, who has a special interest in bone and muscle development and decided to conduct some experiments of his own with a
group of experienced male weight trainers........
“I couldn’t explain what was happening in the early stages. We were finding marked changes in the individuals we were
doing research with. I found that strength levels increased by about 30 per cent across the board. Most of the guys said
they couldn’t just go to a gym and add a 30 per cent load –they would fail.
They couldn’t believe this would happen to them. The more research I did, and the more experiments I conducted,
I found positives in everything I did.”
The application, he believes, isn’t limited to high-end athletes. Dr Humphries will soon release a paper about the effects WBV training can have on 20 to 30-year-old women to maximise their peak bone mass, the idea being it will help stave off osteoporosis in later years. Further work is also being done with the use of the therapy on post-menopausal women.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-06-13 13:23:01
Kirkregular....
Firstly make sure you never try to compare Pivotal to Lineal training. The more you understand the more you will realize just how different they are.
The G-Forces again only play a small part in full Vibration Training. That is only there to gain a HyperGravity load. Which is where the plate is trying to lift you up, but gravity is holding you down. But because you are not tethered to the machine what the G-Force reading on the plate, may not be actually what you experience. Which is how some machines can look good on acceleration tests and on paper but still feel weak and is why I do not think having the g-forces displayed in advertising would help much.
Please note: Hg training is not as hard core as an added inertia equation which actually replicated a drop jumping eccentric contraction.
If you are using a Pivotal machine, you peak at the HyperGravity equation and hence load.
On a lineal unit, theoretically the faster it goes the more inertia it can create, but again theoretically you can only make the machine move so fast or your muscles can not keep up and you can burn the motor and bearings out.
Eg.. We used to run the Vibro-Gyms at 50 hz because 40 hz ( it had no in-between settings ) was too light. The plastic Power Plates were too light for even 50 hz to work.
So the lighter the machine, the faster it needs to run. I recommend 43Hz because in my tests it showed to give the best overall function for the machine and results. You will find no research you can trust on different machines to find a "best of Fq".
Except for Pivotal, which is 27Hz.
kirkregular
Posted On:2010-06-13 00:42:41
Lloyd,
I have a fitness studio so the results I am looking for is increased strength and muscle tone. And I realize, thanks to you, that the power of the plate makes a big difference. But power is not a variable that can be manipulated on an existing vibration plate. I wanted to know what frequency you use on the Vibratrain and why. What research out there backs up what the best frequency is to use on a lineal machine regardless of how powerful it is. Also, what is the force of a Vibratrain machine. My Galileo machines have a posted G force in the specifications. Most other machines in the market do not and maybe that is something that should be pushed more in the industry.
Kirk Regular
p.s. Why can I use question marks or other punctuation on this blog site. Is it my Canadian keyboard
Keith
Posted On:2010-06-12 03:16:27
Lloyd, Ive just tried it and what a difference training in socks. Its almost a feeling of oneness with the machine.
Positioning is easier especially the one about sliding off the plate in the wide squat if the position is not spot on. 70 percent of the weight on the heels, no problem in socks to say nothing of the increased intensity of the training.
What was easy before has become a strain during the last 10 seconds. Its almost like a different machine. Wow.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-06-10 09:01:31
All you will find is conflicting research. For 2 main reasons...
(a) The construction of the machine plays a far larger part in the muscles response than the Fq. Something all the "academics" could not figure out for themselves apparently. So different machines on the same Fq gave different results in the research.
(b) It depends what those " best results" are. Eg.. Are you looking for actual body composition change or just muscle movement, circulation etc.... EMG tests showed 27hz to be best for inducing a stretch reflex,, but no muscle growth. But then the machines were very light.
So the question should be ...... What machine are you using, and what response are you looking for ?
Can anyone point me to any research as to the ideal frequency to use on a lineal vibration machine. I know you use 43Hz on a Vibratrain and most others use the range of 30 45 Hz but which is ideal. similar to 26Hz on a Galileo.
