Please read through the articles that cover your questions, or topic of conversation before posting, as understanding the basics give the community a better chance of helping you.Please Note: Most of the frequently asked questions we have had over the years have their own article already.
Maybe you want to contact Wave in Canada, as you will find they have a similar protocol.
I think you are mistaken in thinking tons of research will be around to back up most of what we do, you are witnessing an industry forming.
My work is all original and it will be years before independent studies prove me right or wrong. All I can do is stand by my work and results to date. I wrote theory, made predictions ( putting myself in the line of fire if proven wrong ) and completed my machines.
I am letting others who have worked with other products to form their own opinion, and either make or break my reputation.
DocPower
Posted On:2010-01-28 15:27:19
Thanks but i was after something more scientific. No offense but you can test body fat and simply claim that something else was the cause. I mean a proper test all start with similar composition, same routine, same diet then compared across various frequencies. Not having a godoes this research exist
These machines are pretty cool. What they cost, ill email the supplier and find out if i can get one
Di Heap
Posted On:2010-01-28 15:23:00
If the machine feels rough or uncomfortable I wont go on it. That means small, one motor lineal home machines (I bought one to try out and soon re-sold it). Also machines that are smooth but with a sideways pulling sensation (PowerPlate) although I know some people are okay with them. And even medium/high force machines at 30hz feel uncomfortable enough to me that I would not have continued vibra training.
I've been blind tested on Vibra-Train machines and I've seen others tested. Change the fq up and down and let the customer choose where to stop - where the vibrations give a strong muscle response (i.e. It hurts) in a squat position yet the overall motion is smooth, non tearing on joints. They always choose 43hz (42-45), even new customers who are not used to the "feel" of Vibra-Train brand machines.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-01-28 15:10:22
Note: I was attacked outright by Vibro-Gym sales staff and trainers in 2005 when I first released the 43hz , 3mm setting. The new Evolution now carries those exact settings.
That should show even the most hardcore company-line follower to question everything.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-01-28 15:04:33
Body Composition Analysis ....
Form day one I purchased and Inbody 3.0 Body Comp Analyzer ( http://www.smitechasia.com/product.php?selected_product_id=122 ) That way my opinion and theories meant nothing unless I saw a body comp change. I still test all my theories in the same way.
My sole goal was to be able to build new muscle so we could fight obesity through anabolic means.
Note: I am not saying that 43hz is the only Fq to use, I could, and have built machines that gave excellent results on other Fqs, they were just too uncomfortable to use for the average person. Remember if we can not get people back on these machines, it is all for nothing.
I will be writing a lot more on this subject in the future, as I understand it is a contentious issue for those who have been taught not to question some companies protocols.
DocPower
Posted On:2010-01-28 14:30:04
Thankscan you point me these tests you have carried out please
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-01-28 14:27:20
Sorry but you may have read that on another site. The main Fq we promote is 43hz as an all round, results driven and user comfort level Fq.
Some companies claimed years ago that 27Hz - 30Hz was the optimum Fq because it causes the "longest" stretch reflex. But no proof that the longest stretch reflex attainable causes any more benefit than a slightly shorter one has been shown to date. It was just a theory.
In fact my tests showed other factors play a much more important role.
DoctorPower
Posted On:2010-01-28 13:36:20
Hi,
Ive read on your site that 35 to 40 hzt is the best proven frequency. Can someone please explain how they have tested this and what studies have been done to suuport this claim
Regards
Doc Power
Di Heap
Posted On:2010-01-28 12:55:39
Does Vibration Training really work for weight-loss?Read my article here:
Forum back up and running: Please remember this forum is for discussing the articles, swapping ideas and answering the myriad of questions surrounding this new form of training. Any personal attacks or off topic posts will be deleted.
Important notice: I am pleased to announce that a couple of individuals have been removed from "The Blacklist". This was due to their reversal in the decision to use another companies Trade-Marked name without permission.
Then just go onto Trade-Me and you should be able to pick up a cheap Lineal or Pivotal for that amount. Maybe even something second hand.
Sammy
Posted On:2010-01-17 18:17:16
Lloyd, I think you are the right person to talk to.I tried a machine when I was away in Australia a few months ago and liked it and would like to get one for home. I only have about $350 to spend so can you tell me the best machine for this tiny amount of money. Where can I get one and what brand should I look for. Hope you can help as I have 3 young children at home,can't get out and my waist is getting out of control. Thanks Lloyd, Sam Kilda
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-01-17 17:40:53
I am sure even though Glowworm is happy enough, she would have been happier to have that info before she made a purchase.
I am here to help protect the consumer who has not purchased yet, I can not help those who go looking for info after the event. And I am not going to refrain from educating people just "in case" it hurts someone's feeling.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-01-17 17:36:01
Mark Newton was the man responsible for what happened here in N.Z.
A medical supply company over here was also effected by him but choose to cover it up out of embarrassment.
Fred
Posted On:2010-01-17 17:35:18
I see the post from glowworm.She was very happy with her purchase even though she new she had paid to much. Why did you post that link straight away bagging her product. Is that your sick way of rubbing her nose in it. Please explain as Im keen to know Lloyd
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-01-17 17:29:08
I got a report of it going on in Canada but cant confirm it. I will be writing more about it in the future when I do.
You do understand people have lost everything, it is not something to joke about. The perpetrators need to be hung, and I mean literally. I would do it myself.
dungbeetle
Posted On:2010-01-17 16:40:22
i used vibratrain last week and thort it great
Michael
Posted On:2010-01-17 16:08:10
I trust you lloyd because you have opened yourself up to questioning. It is my experience people with something to hide do not do that.
Mike Hair
Posted On:2010-01-17 14:33:04
Ok so now i am a liar am i Tom
I dont know you and frankly i dont care who you are, if you have nothing better to do than accuse people of lying when you are clearly grasping at straws i suggest you go and find a new hobby.....
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-01-17 13:48:55
If anyone wants to come on and say a particular brand is the "best" then that is allowed.
But if you do not back it up with a particular fact or point that can be discussed then it will be deleted.
"Just because" or " my mate owns it and hes a good guy " is not a valid point.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-01-17 13:42:57
Now seeing as someone keeps on trying to bring up Elite Fitness ( obvious plug with no real question which is why it is gone ) I will address it here.
(1) I send them sales all the time.
(2) They have nothing I want in return.
(3) They already did lend their expertise and products to Rocket Fitness Ltd who was aiming to be my competition. It failed to take off so why would I worry now ?
(4) I want decent competition. It helps create a solid industry.
(5) N.Z. is only a test market for me. I do not want to just be world famous in N.Z.
(6) They followed me into the market, not the other way around. They even use the name VibrationTrain to try and feed off my efforts.( readers can go and check on that themselves, no links please, ) Even they know my brand is worth more than anything they can come up with.
I am quite sure they will try to take some of my market, but they are in business, its their job. So exactly what am I meant to be worried about ?
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-01-17 13:13:56
All one liners, off topic or non-sensible comments will be removed.
If you do not know how to debate an issue correctly, please take the time to learn and come back on. We welcome all views but just rambling will not cut it here.
It takes you 30 seconds to type it up, 1 sec for me to delete it. So you are only wasting your own time if you fail to make the effort..
Mike Hair
Posted On:2010-01-17 12:51:16
Tom, what difference does it make what type of machine i was sold? The fact is the guy who sold them to me ripped me off, did not honour the warranty and liquidated his NZ company only days before we had him in court. Every dog has his day and one day his will come.
Honestly Tom, Lloyd would have to be the most honest non greedy person i know, if it was not for him helping me (and i was his competition) my family would have lost everything.
It is not a dog eat dog world, there are some genuine people that do stuff for others that doesn't make sense to the average person, and I have found Lloyd to be one of those people.
He did not Know me apart from a phone call and he put me up in his apartment for a week for free, then shipped me 2 machines so my business could continue running. I have known him for around 4 years now and have seen him repeatedly help people for nothing in return. He even helped another over sea's company get all of their sales with not a cent in return....
He was offered to go over sea's for a big company and help then build machines, for more money than you or i could dream of but declined the offer because he wanted to help the likes of me and other studio owners in NZ....
Do you get the picture yet Tom??? Lloyd is not one of those con-men that pry on the uneducated, he is a pioneer in this industry and is so far a head the rest of the world in his thinking i don't think they will ever catch up.
Won't to know more or think that i am lying? phone me 032163771
And that offer applies to all on here, dont hide behind the internet call me.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-01-17 12:18:03
Tom...
What are you going to do now, call Mike Hair a liar ? " Its a conspiracy to make you look bad "
No the fact is you came on here looking for a fight or to discredit me, and epically failed. In fact I should thank you, I think I come off pretty good to the average reader and more people will trust me as a result. Best PR I have had for a while.
Mike Hair
Posted On:2010-01-17 12:10:03
Just to confirm what has already been said..
The guy who sold me my original machines was selling them for 14k and 18k there was 2 different models, they were cheap chinese pivotal machines and broke down within 3 months. He was picking them up in china by the container load for a few hundred bucks each.
Lloyd Shaw shipped me 2 vibro gym professional machines from his studio, otherwise we would have lost everything...
Tom
Posted On:2010-01-17 12:04:47
Mike please let us know the brand of machine that was sold to you for 100 times its imported price .This is just not true is it. Has lloyd been fibbing agin or is this just some mistake on his part.
Lloyd, Im just correcting what you already state to people. You state this machine is made in NZ. Now that just not true. You said it and im just pointing out the fact.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-01-17 11:07:48
George..
If you wish to question someone else's integrity on the board, then have some yourself and put your real name up. And make sure we can check on it just like you want to check on other people.
Or risk being deleted.
Note: As you can see a number of others have been attacking me hiding behind pseudonyms. Last warning, you will only be deleted from now on. I have no time for cowards.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-01-17 10:30:10
Cono...
We have been over this. All the people that give their full name are real and contactable. If you are too lazy to do this then that is your problem.
The ones that give fake names tend to be the dodgy ones.
Tom Style....
What do you mean full disclosure ? You find me a studio owner that does not know that and then we can talk. People who do business with me are told everything.
Note: I only import the motors and Fq inverter because no-one manufactures them in N.Z. One day I plan to change that as well.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-01-17 10:22:37
I can assure you John Weatherly is who he says he is. It was confirmed on CorePerformance a few times as he used to be a contributor to that site as well.
As far as I am aware he has zero conflicts of interests and is not even involved in our industry. He just really doesn't like dodgy academics and lets the world know it.
Note: He CCs me in on all the emails he sends to other academics.
George
Posted On:2010-01-17 10:15:16
Ive got a gripe Lloyd this John Weatherley. you do realise he is meant to like on the west coast of the US. There is a weatherley who has certain qualifications and this person below is NOT him. you have an imposter for sure. the articles he quotes in many cases do not exist Lloyd id investigate this .
