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PhilippaChurch |
Posted On:2010-02-03 19:39:58
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Hmmm. were you hoping for a career as a comedian. Best get back to shaving your supermodel legs think theres more future there.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-02-03 19:25:37
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Ha Ha.... Passing by
Get it ?
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PhilippaChurch |
Posted On:2010-02-03 19:08:59
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Resonance Vibration Training, Ampthill, Bedfordshire. www.resonancevt.co.uk. You are most welcome if passing by.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-02-03 16:51:31
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I just deleted a bunch of posts that would have been boring and useless to the average reader.
They were simple minded attacks by simple minded dodgy salespeople that hate this site ( and for good reason ) . I would not mind if they were even funny or amusing, but they were just boring. So DELETE .....
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-02-03 10:32:30
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The worst companies to date are the US/Canadian T-Zone marketers. And Vibra-Slim ( U.S.) Both continue to lie to the consumer despite knowing the info to be false.
The Australian T-Zone counterparts are the ones that voluntarily changed their advertising.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-02-03 09:51:32
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Note the specs at the bottom...... Frequency 0-12 reps . You will still find the exact same machine is still sold under fake specs of 0-50 hz
Note the conflicting info...... " Stimulates your muscles 600 times a minute " = 10Hz right ? But it also says "contracts muscles 30 to 60 times a sec " 30 Hz - 60 Hz ????
The fact is these marketers just steal info and specs from completely different systems or other companies marketing material . That is how it all started in the first place. Even the guys at the factories were too uneducated to know the difference. So you have stupid designers selling machines to even stupider marketers. Trust me when I say they are as thick or as dishonest as they come. You choose. Either way you would not want to buy a health product off them.
The situation will be cleared up, but only thanks to those of us who have worked hard to expose it.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-02-03 09:24:09
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Leon...
Yes tests have been done with accelerometers by independent engineers. By 2 companies in Australia I know of.
One was actually selling the machines and changed their advertising accordingly when they found out the "factory" specs were false. I even have a folder of some older adverts with the false specs and now the correct ones.
The only people you will find arguing the point now are dodgy salespeople selling the slower machines with fake specs.
Engineering report...... Contact Murray at HyperVibe in Australia
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LeonDipper |
Posted On:2010-02-03 09:01:30
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Do you have any proof that these cheaper machines do carry lower hertz as advertised You claim most of them do This is a big call when there must be hundreds of models out there in the world.I think you said 98% of all sales fall into this bracket. Did you do the testing? please give us some proof of this fact. Facts and figures by independent testing is proof,not just you saying so.
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ken |
Posted On:2010-02-03 08:29:34
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To Lloyd and Philippa
Thanks for your candid comments. T Zone wants 1600.00 Canadian for the VT 12 unit. It sounds like I may be well advised to invest a little more in a different direction.
Thanks
Ken F
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-02-03 06:46:34
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Probably a good starter machine and for the elderly but most people would outgrow it. We have had an issue with this company in the past using false specs to sell the machines. So a good way to tests if the company you are dealing with is trustworthy, is ask for them about them.
The unit only goes up to about 12 hz even though they may state a little more ( top workout models go 27 hz ) And in Pivotal this is a very important difference. If they try to be dishonest about this, walk away. From our experience to date if a company is dishonest on one level, they will also be on others.
But if they are selling it for what it is, and the price is right. Get one.
Eg unit from factory......
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PhilippaChurch |
Posted On:2010-02-03 04:58:38
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Hi Veronica -
Yes is the answer! It's not called Whole Body Vibration for nothing! The bowel is also muscle which can be 'worked'! Interestingly people often report improvements in conditions such as IBS, collitus etc after vibration training. Cellulite massage and stretch can be particularly 'stimulating' shall we say! The good news is that people seem to find these issue disappear after a few sessions - so stick with it and be confident that 'No - it's not just you!'.
Hi Ken
Have to say T zone not so good - but good to see you are getting benefits from the machines. However, personally I wouldn't recommend buying one. You would be much better off with a steel machine - BodyShaker or Vibrogym. Although they will ship to Canada may be expensive - email them and see. Think this is why people often end up with the lower- medium energy lineals like T zone and Powerplate etc. Have you looked into what's available on Canada?
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ken |
Posted On:2010-02-03 03:35:32
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Hi Philippa...I live in Fredericton New Brunswick Canada
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PhilippaChurch |
Posted On:2010-02-03 03:07:58
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Where are you based Ken
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Helen |
Posted On:2010-02-03 03:06:47
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I am also using a T Zone machine and have to say, I have lost an incredible 35 pounds since I started using it. No other change to my exercise or diet. Ignore all these idiots here saying vibration machines don't help with weight loss, I am living proof.
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ken |
Posted On:2010-02-03 02:18:47
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I have used a vibration machine for the first time in my life this month and am enjoying same. The business is called T Zone Vibration. Has anyone heard of this business. Do they have quality vibration machines. Where can I find the stats for the machines as they are not on the company site. I would like to buy a unit but like everyone else I dont want to get ripped off.
Ken F.
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RitchieHaldane |
Posted On:2010-02-03 01:41:32
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Lexz
Phillipa asking a question is not new. In amongst all the bickering perhaps she thought she would use the forum for something constructive, and of course gained your criticism. I know many people who use Lloyd for his knowledge, as do I. There are enough fools on here setting Lloyd up with their ignorance, such as yourself. He doesnt need to put people up to things.
So in other words, we can ask questions if we wish and you can go to another forum and argue where you have a chance of winning. Phillipa isnt pretending to be an expert. And neither am I. The more I learn, the more I realise there is to learn.
Lloyd on the other hand is an expert. If you actually knew him, you would know this. I remember a day when he was asked go on radio, and the station surprised him by having a doctor appear unanounced. Lloyd made her look stupid, she ended up agreeing with 95 percent of what he said and no doctor will take him for the hell of it ever again.
Lloyd on a forum can win these debates, but in person, he would destroy. That is something you have yet to appreciate.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-02-02 20:03:32
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Speak for yourself about the supermodel bit.
Have you ever seen my legs ?
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PhilippaChurch |
Posted On:2010-02-02 19:56:26
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So let me see so far...
We are being criticised for not being a size 8 supermodel. Damn! I forgot to read the part of the training manual that said there was a direct link between knowledge, ability, experience and size. Potatoes in the bin - lettuce leaf at the ready. Next - asking a question to meet changing needs. Again silly me - I didn't know there was a time limit by which time you had to know everything. If only Einstein had known that he might have worked a bit quicker! I'll put a sign up today on the door stating clearly that no new conditions can come in. Then we have building a machine in your bedroom. Oh Lloyd - how could you think of anything so depraved - should think you're still reeling from that attack! Laser cutting under the bedclothes - Oh my! My favourite is Lloyd's ability to jet round round the world in seconds to make the posts under his varous aliases. See - Lloyd it's not only you who thinks you're Superman - they do too. Looking forward to seeing what the next crippling blow will be. Bad hair? Eyes too close together? Mother looks like a horse? Let's see...
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-02-02 14:50:07
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No, believe it or not Philippa had not had anybody through before with Parkinson's. And yes she is meant to post all the queries online so everybody can see the answer. Do you think we should keep it secret ?
And I think you will be surprised at the lack of support some Vibration Training companies offer after the sale has gone through. Ask Philippa what kind of answer she would have gotten from HyperGravity ?
Like it or not, this is going to end up to be the top source for info on the net. I took the last site to #1 and that wasn't even laid out well. I have only released about 10% of my work so far, so this will end up a huge library in the future, linked to other sites I am developing.
You have seen nothing yet.
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Di Heap |
Posted On:2010-02-02 11:23:48
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MrFuzz
You're right, I'm overweight. I lost a lot of fat then gained a lot last NZ winter because I over-ate badly, lots of carbs etc.
You see, I am a REAL person, prone to put on weight due to medical factors and over-eating. I'm not a sporty person except for some walking and running races. I am your regular everyday person and I am the overweight person that Vibra-Train machines were initially designed for. Actually I'm not so big but I could have become that way.
Vibration Training on high force machines, and for me specifically on Vibra-Train machines has worked exactly as it was designed to. Even after an accident a year ago which caused me to lose muscle mass (went from 120% down to almost 100% - which is okay but not what I want) I kept my high strength and I've built up to 120% muscle again through a time of personal change and winter illnesses. I no longer have the weight related health problems had 3 years ago.
Read my story here: www.vibration-training-advice.com/vibration-training---not-just-about-looking-good
Thanks for giving me the opportunity to say all this. And you, MrFuzz, what's your condition? Are you Mr Perfect? Do you have a training method so amazing that you read and post on a forum, even when on holiday as I am
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Willie Nugent |
Posted On:2010-02-02 11:20:13
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Lez, Mr.Fuzz and Colin,
Have any of you actually tried WBV on a decent steel platform? It doesn't sound like you have as if you had you would not be so skeptical about the industry.
I am a 41 year old guy who less than 12 months ago purchased a Bodyshaker machine and have lost app.36lbs of fat. My strength has increased substantially and my mobility and flexibility are greatly enhanced. I do not take part in any other form of training as i am still around the 350lb mark. I researched lots of machines and was lucky enough to try most if not all of the major brands except Vibra-Train as they had no machines in the UK at that time. I must say i was very happy with my purchase of the Bodyshaker and with the results i have got from it but recently i was lucky enough to go to ResonanceVT (run by Phillippa Church) who have Vibra-Train machines. I was warmly welcomed and treated in a caring and professional manner by Phillipa and her staff.
The difference between the Bodyshaker (who i think would be in the top 4-5 brands worldwide) was astonishing no other word could describe it. I can do 60 seconds in all of Lloyds safety program on the Bodyshaker but on the Vibra-Train machine i was suffering at 40 seconds and ready to collapse at 50 seconds and infact had to stop on several of the poses. I am now thinking about training at ResonanceVT full time as i can clearly see the massive difference in the Vibra-Train machines and philosophy and am sure i would have lost a lot more fat by now if i had visited earlier.
I urge you to try a Vibra-Train machine and then come back and tell me your thoughts.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-02-02 11:19:35
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Sal was invited to make a comment on this study and article but declined.......
For someone so full of himself before, he sure ran away quickly when confronted by something that contradicts everything he had been saying for the last 3 years.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-02-02 10:31:26
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MrFuzz ...
I am a mortician, and I will tell you now. It probably saved Di's life in the long run. Because of her injuries she could do no other form of exercise. Remember when she first came in here it was as a skeptical customer after no-one else could help her.
That is the epitome and definition of success in Vibration Training
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-02-02 10:24:03
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These are statements made by SAL MARINELLO ....
WBV shouldn’t be taken seriously.”
“WBV does nothing to improve muscle tone and balance”
“it doesn’t matter what company makes this type of machine, as they are all junk.”
“in an effort to clarify, I think wbv is garbage. the different machines are just different brands of garbage.”
” the fantasy of WBV.”
“WBV is useless “
And this was before he had ever seen or tried it. So what he was really saying is " I don't understand how it could work, so it cant work " He then went around trying to find research that was done on crappy machines to back up his stance. But now with so many other experts stating that Vibration Training is as least as good as resistance training he has backed right off. And he wont answer any questions now leveled at him.
But his comments have been recorded, and will be part of a series of articles I am going to write were people like him are exposed for what they are. Named and shamed as idiots.
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Colin |
Posted On:2010-02-02 09:55:56
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This is very interesting www.blogcritics.org/scitech/article/the-healthy-skeptic-vibra-train-whole
It says vibration training is a load of rubbish
Im not sure why sal is not on your Black List either.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-02-02 09:37:47
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MrFuzz..
I would normally delete such comments, but I will leave it up there so our readers can see what kind of cowardly creeps we have to deal with. You let your team down with such statements.
P.S. Di Heaps BCA tests for muscle mass is very good for someone who does no resistance training.
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Mrfuzz |
Posted On:2010-02-02 09:17:52
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Maybe you should use Di Heap as a ginue pig. I've noticed she has plenty of weight to loose
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-02-02 08:47:06
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Richard....
I suppose I should ask your opinion on the subject so we can all understand your motives for being here.
(1) Do you think Vibration Training works ?
(2) Do you understand how it would work in principle ?
(3) Have you tried it, if so where and what brand ?
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-02-02 08:20:23
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I told the entire industry years ago, as companies drop the arrogance and read my work for what it is, and start building better machines. You will see better results in the research.
And the good thing about this is time will prove me 100% right. I have engineering tests, research results and Power Plates own specs from 2004. And Power Plates top academic spokesperson stating " Amplitude is everything...it is gold dust " That was Power Plates holy grail of Vibration Training.
I said the opposite, that " Amplitude only plays a small part in the overall equation ". Either the all powerful and smart academics were right, or I was, a mortician.
Philippa has seen the arrogance of another companies "expert" come in, and not be able to face the fact they obviously did not understand this science, as well as they had convinced themselves ( and other people ) they did.
Nothing changes.......
“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 - 1860).
It has all been documented, just in case they try to "forget" how difficult they made it for me to do my work.
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PhilippaChurch |
Posted On:2010-02-02 07:47:37
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Richard, you have hit on one of the most frustrating aspects of our industry; the lack of major studies done on decent, reliable machines. I have a studio with Vibra-trains and have seen time and time again people losing weight, gaining muscle, recovering from long standing injuries and joint problems and re-discovering mobility. You only have to read our testimonials , with full names given, to see it works. www.resonancevt.co.uk .
We would LOVE someone to come and do research on Vibra-trains but these kind of studies cost a huge amount and and require the backing of a red-brick institution to carry much weight. In the meantime we can only convince people by first hand experience and by seeing the results in their friends and relations. There is no-one who come for a free trial who leaves doubting the machines' ability to fatigue the muscles. No-one.
My request to you would be simply to try it yourself on a good machine and then doubt it. Where are you based? Once you have you may be able to persuade some illustrious institution to conduct a full-on study and make us all very happy!
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