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tom Posted On:2010-01-14 11:31:44

God you talk a load of rubbish on this site, everybody knows it doesnt work. If its so good name some famous sports people who uses this type of training lloyd . put some good proof up instead of just talking the  talk . Its the old story,go on about nothing enough then fools beleive anything. You should be in car sales or politics.  

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-01-11 12:08:33
Seeing as we know how "keeping up appearances "  is so important for a company like Power Plate ( as with all confidence artists ) it is very telling. Especially if 2 others were there .
 
I am hoping more trainers and academics are realizing they are not the #1 company, and are just a mid-range product with lots of false claims and fancy marketing. I must admit I have been VERY surprised at who was taken in by them.  I can not wait until we arrive on the scene and open some eyes and minds to what Vibration Training really is. 
 
John Posted On:2010-01-10 06:28:43

Good news for all of us who value ethical behavior in the exercise industry.  A friend who is attending the NSCA Sport Specific Conference in Orlando said Power Plate did not even show up as an exhibitor at the conference.  However, there were two vibration companies I am familiar with at the conference as exhibitors.  Power Plate is in financial trouble, running scared, or both.  Power Plate is a  company built on deceit.  The last lie, just one of many, about them having a Power Plate Research Center when it does not exist, should be enough to make academics think twice about ever doing research on equipment from such a dodgy company.  We need research on other equipment such as that made by Lloyd.  I have informed some academics in the U.S. about this.

Keep up the great work folks and we will rid the exercise industry of this evil culture of Power Plate deceit.

John Weatherly

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-01-09 18:40:10
Short answer: I would say the risks outweigh the benefits, as you are actually throwing an unset mass from side-to-side.  Because unless you  superglued a vest to someone you are going to end up going one direction, while the added mass is still going the other.

The lag in the movement would create shearing somewhere.  
 
Gabriel Posted On:2010-01-09 17:21:03

Thank you for your responses Lloyd. Both very clear and concise explanations. Things are picking up here in the states and I find myself constantly having to explain the differences between the vibraflex and the other pivotals, proelixe, Noblerex etc.

Curious as to how you feel about increasing mass with additional weight on the pivotal

what benefits do you see being achieved

 

 

 

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-01-09 16:32:36
To answer your question about Pivotal units losing speed, this is much less likely than a Lineal.
 
The reason being is on a Pivotal as one foot comes up the other drives down ( almost like a see-saw ) . This divides not only the g-forces acting on the opposing leg by half, but also takes load off the drive system. In fact the machine only has to have enough power to tilt a quarter a persons body weight ( not lift entirely as in Lineal ) for it to not lose speed. So it would take a really crappy system to fail on that count.
 
But there is a huge difference to just tilting, and tilting with power and acceleration. As you have now discovered.
 
I will be writing alot more on this in the future. So people understand why I have added inertia into the equation. 
 
Di Heap Posted On:2010-01-09 16:24:09

Lloyd’s yells of “Get down lower”, “The sign over the door says Vibra-Train not Vibra-Massage”, and “Don’t you dare fail, no, you’re not going to die”, really do not help the flow of “nice”, informational movies..

BUT, I’m hoping for a better look (bring on the 6-pack abs) and some proper yelling instruction in the next series to be launched soon.  And of course all are welcome to visit and experience a “hands on” vibra-training session for themselves.   

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-01-09 16:14:53
You simply can not compare Vibra-Flex/Galileo to a unit like the K1 . The gearing system and drive are miles apart.
 
Even the smallest home unit Vibra-Flex make is better than the closest pivotal Pro competition.

And as you have deduced, the g-forces on paper never compare to a trial and perceived exertion test. It is a shame Galileo are not more open to working with me on educating people about their side of the industry, and the pit-falls. But as long as they are out there telling people Pivotal is everything, and trash talking Lineal. They are on their own and fighting a losing battle against cheap copies.      
 
Gabriel Posted On:2010-01-09 14:58:03

When comparing the Noblerex to the Vibraflex, there is a major difference in their max acceleration. The Noblerex max is 4Gs while the vibraflex is 16Gs...on the 450 model..at the perimeter. I understand that the G force is grossly exaggerated as an indicator of the performance of the machine, but would you agree that the muscular response would be much greater with a machine delivering a higher rate of acceleration...question mark. It seems that this would make sense from a physics standpoint.

Do you think the Noblerex would maintain it specs with a heavier individual...question mark.

 

 

 

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-01-09 11:26:40
For the price the K1 is a decent Home / Pro unit.
 
They have a very low if non-existent breakdown rate.
 
 
 
Regarding the video,...  They cut the strip tease and hand-to-hand combat section from the series. They said it "didnt flow". But what would those arty types know. 
 
Gabriel Posted On:2010-01-09 04:39:05

Hi Lloyd,

I need an unbiased answer to a question.

What is the quality level of the  Noblerex K1.

I like the videos by the way. If only you could have yelled a little bit...then I would have had the full experience...just a joke.

 

John,

Thanks for monitoring the pubmed research.That obesity study was interesting.

 

 
John Posted On:2010-01-07 13:52:02

And here is a very interesting report by Vissers et al. that was in the Physician and Sportsmedicine.  WBV increased oxygen consumption in obese and overweight women compared to exercises without vibration.  Go to www.nlm.nih.gov, click on PubMed, and type in vibration exercise as search terms to read the abstract.

John Weatherly

 
John Posted On:2010-01-07 12:21:14

That is good to know Lloyd.  And I like your videos.  I noticed you tell the truth saying there is no such thing as cellulite, how vibration training is hard work, etc.

John Weatherly

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-01-07 11:35:57

Dont worry John, nothing is forgiven or forgotten.

 

Every single thing they have ever done will be exposed to the public all in due course. But timing is everything. 

 
John Posted On:2010-01-07 06:00:44

I checked in with Dr. Jeff McBride yesterday.  McBride wrote a short summary on vibration training for the NSCA a while back.  He is a professor and colleague of Dr. David Nieman at Appalachian State.  Dr. Nieman is a member of the Power Plate Scientific Advisory Board.  Some of you may recall I reported on this after speaking with Dr. McBride last summer on the www.vibrationtraining.net site before Peter Davis bought the site.  This site has just been sitting there since Davis bought it.  I have an inkling Davis bought the site to keep Lloyd and others quiet as the site was getting quite popular.

Anyway, McBride said the same thing he told me last summer.  He does not see vibration training as doing anything that normal strength training does not already do.  In regard to Dr. Nieman being listed on the Power Plate Advisory Board what happened was Power Plate gave them money to do a couple studies and in return Nieman let them use his name on the Advisory Board.  McBride, in contrast to what Power Plate says on their website under the Dr. Nieman listing for their Advisory Board, says there is not any Power Plate Research Center at Appalachian State nor are there plans for he or Nieman to do any more studies on Power Plate.  So, Power Plate is still up to their lies.  It is clear this company has a culture of deceit.  They are misleading the public on their website again.  I have caught them lying multiple times myself over the last two or three years.

John Weatherly

 

 
Di Heap Posted On:2010-01-06 01:11:05

We have to keep in mind that the internet is available to just about everyone and there’s no restriction on who can write up articles on many websites.  I’ve watched over two years and I believe many “current trends” articles are written solely to gain English Language writing skills.  Two I recently found; the writer has poor writing skills, no experience of, and poor research of Vibration Training.

This does not; of course excuse those who claim to be Fitness Gurus or knowledgeable about exercise equipment and methods - like the link posted below - but then are lazy in their research, posting articles with errors yet expecting their followers to praise them.  They are the ones I will strongly oppose.

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-01-05 11:34:43
The mere fact they are still concentrating on Fq and Amplitude means they are still suckers to marketing.
 
I have said it before, and will say it again. These academics who are too lazy to do their homework before their research only hold our industry back. 
 
John Posted On:2010-01-05 05:44:54

Another interesting study by Cook et al. in JSCR looking at amplitudes and frequencies for WBV is at www.nlm.nih.gov, click on PubMed, and type in vibration exercise as search terms.  As more research is done by the academics, things will gradually get sorted out.   The problem is this takes time.  I have felt for some time that Lloyd is ahead of the curve.

John Weatherly

 
Tom Posted On:2010-01-03 14:03:28

Marry Christmas and Happy New Year to all you...

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-01-01 13:45:30
Here's to a good 2010 for our industry and all its ethical players.
 
 
We still have so much work ahead of us and I know it seems daunting. But by helping each other unselfishly and working towards common goals, we can mold this industry into something not only very successful, but something we can all be proud of.
 
Heads down, asses up. Work hard and enjoy the rewards.
 
John Posted On:2009-12-27 09:22:53

A recent study by Humphries et al. in Aviat Space Environ Med 2009 Dec indicates WBV may help women increase bone deposition, decrease bone resorption and may also be important for young women to develop peak bone mass thus helping negate the possibilty of osteoporosis later in life.  The abstract is at www.nlm.nih.gov, click on PubMed, and type in vibration exercise as search words.

John Weatherly

 
Di Heap Posted On:2009-12-24 12:03:10

Sydney – accommodation help needed

My son is moving to Sydney end of January to study (PhD) at UNSW.  He’s looking for a small 1 bedroom unit ($200-350) in the Kensington or surrounding area or a flatmate situation with mature (20’s) working or quiet students.  Or if anyone can offer him a room for a month while he gets set up with accommodation, would be great.  He wont wreck your place and unlike me, he doesn’t party.  Please reply in here or email me through Lloyd at Vibra-Train, thanks.

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2009-12-23 19:21:05

Thanks folks for the kind words,  kinda funny seeing yourself on Youtube.

 

 Hope everybody has a good holiday season.  I am working right through at the studio and mortuary but will still enjoy some time outside in the sun. 

 
Henrik Posted On:2009-12-23 14:32:02

Hi Lloyd, what a cool bundle of videos....

Thanks a lot

 
Di Heap Posted On:2009-12-23 11:23:06

You can get to all the videos by clicking on the “More from VibraTrain” link at right of the video you are viewing or Subscribe to our VibraTrain channel.  Some of the videos are taking ages to show up in a search. I’m told they will eventually, it’s just how Google and YouTube works.  (Volume is a little low on Part 1, my apologies. The rest I adjusted)

Links for them all are

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTI6RtU6Puk&feature=channel   This is Part 1 - Introduction

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiaKVWiD1xI&feature=channel   Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6GeAi_ayso&feature=channel   Part 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCEcyM4Dv-U&feature=channel   Part 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj2Cgn2xJ8Y&feature=channel    Part 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD63aNW998E&feature=channel   Part 6

 

 
Di Heap Posted On:2009-12-23 11:13:58

Hi Keith

Have a great Christmas/New Year and be good at least some of the time.  Just wait for the next series of videos early next year and then you’ll be able to spot Lloyd.  And no the other one isn’t me, I’m not quite that ancient ( even if she does look great)  – just making sure you know *laughs*

 
MikeHair Posted On:2009-12-23 08:31:52

Ahahaha, hi Keith i think Lloyd is the blonde one.Lol.

Happy holidays to you and your family

 

Mike

 
Keith Posted On:2009-12-23 05:41:00

Great videos Lloyd ..... right time ...... right place.... Well done 

Just one small point .... Lloyd, are you the one with the dark hair or the blonde. 

Couldnt get to videos 1 and 2 any ideas.

Dont suppose one could buy a Vibratrain T-shirt could one.........

In case I dont make it on here again this year may I take the opportunity to wish all a Merry Xmas and a healthy happy and prosperous New Year.

Lloyd also to thank you for all the input over the past two and a half years it has been much appreciated and to Di and Mike as well, thank you.

 
Tom Posted On:2009-12-22 16:03:57

Hi,

The videos are awesome...

Also, placed order for the Wave today.

Tom

 
MikeHair Posted On:2009-12-22 15:14:02

Loving the VibraTrain T.V.

So easy to understand for the general public, Well done Lloyd.

 
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