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No science can not fully explain it, and my work is original theory, not copied from someone else. You would be surprised at how much has not been studied about involuntary reflexes. I stand by the work I have done, and do not mind being judged by it as long as someone has the grace to examine my work properly.
I cant ask for advice or help so its not like riding on the back of a pre-existing industry, because the people before me failed badly in my opinion. I was never going to be satisfied following their work. I cant do a course to build a new type of machine or write what has not been written before. Not complaining, just pointing out its the toughest thing anyone can do and you have to be prepared for ridicule. People hate change and things they do not understand.
When I first started, everyone said we were mad, now only a few do. So we will win eventually.
JackDreyfus
Posted On:2010-01-15 23:18:50
science can explain it but you say these educated people are wrong yet you have no education and claim to be the knowledge base with no schooling in science. So I am because i say so....wow some opinion.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-01-15 23:01:35
There is no industry standard or unbiased course you can do, and that's an international issue. Even the most highly qualified person you know will have not covered this in their curriculum. I have seen so many academics claim to understand and then not be able to articulate the basics past something they read in a brochure.
That is one of the reasons we are so aggressive fighting con-artists trying to make off the confusion. Most have no or little true understanding of how Vibration Training works they just want to make a buck at any cost.
But you will find that the fitness industry in general is full of marketers and not health professionals. As a mortician I did not know how bad it was until I started dealing with them.
My work....
I stand by my volume of work. Designing multiple types of new machines, designing programs, writing material both educational and consumer protection. I also open myself up to questioning on forums like this so if my work does not make sense, it can be questioned. You will not get such an invitation from other companies.
richardabbott
Posted On:2010-01-15 21:19:43
quality content you have Lloyd..all the best
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-01-15 20:12:03
Oh yea, and that would be the same fitness industry that gave me shit for being a Mortician, and told me Vibration Training could never work.
I mean how could "experts" be so wrong. Easy, they were not experts to begin with. They were fakes .
If you think they hate me now, wait until I release my article actually listing all the idiots who said it couldn't work. Name and shame. I think that is very important so the consumer can understand why sometimes technology is held back.
There are going to be a few red faces I promise you that, and it will be ok if they don't send me Christmas cards..
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-01-15 10:46:50
Jen Jen....
So let me guess, it was a Power Plate studio you went to and one of the poses you did was sit up/crunch on the machine ?
Di Heap
Posted On:2010-01-15 10:03:19
JenJen
I’m sorry you had such a bad experience of using a Vibration Machine.Like Philippa said, this is why we, who work in this industry, are so steadfast in seeking out bad operators and poorly designed machines and shaming those who provide abhorrent service.
Perhaps you used a poor quality machine or followed a bad program.Perhaps your instructor was at fault.Can you please give more details – the brand of machine used and program or the studio you went to.If you don’t want to say here then send the details to Lloyd Shaw (email details on the Vibra-Train website). Perhaps your injury was not from vibration machines.I only say this as I got a very similar injury from tripping over (falling forward).A whole year of physical therapy did not help and the nerve pain down my leg meant I could not even lie on that side not sit in a chair for more than a few minutes or travel at all.It was Vibration Training using high quality lineal machines and the( http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program ) Safety Program that fixed me (it took just 6 weeks for full relief).
It’s the complete opposite to what you’ve experienced and I’d love to help you.We can only do this if you provide more information.
PhilippaChurch
Posted On:2010-01-15 09:18:47
JenJen
I am going to go on the assumption that you are genuine and not somehow linked with the playground gang who seem to be playing what we call knock down ginger in the UK, a game where you knock on someones door and then run off.
It is forums like these, designed to advise on safety and to expose companies and individuals who are more concerned with a quick buck than their clients wellbeing, that would have protected you from what sounds like a bad experience. The unique feature of vibration training is that it gets results so quickly which is due to the sheer power and force exerted by a decent machine. This same power can be become a threat rather than an ally if you are following a programme that is not safe, and can as you may have experienced, cause shearing and various problems. Currently there is no regulation out there to protect the consumer and someone can set up a studio with no training. The so called training provided by some manufacturers is laughable. Likewise for home machines the programmes are scarily ignorant and oftten even include a programme for a pivotal machine that is actually only suitable for a lineal. It is exactly this that Lloyd is combating and as you are seeing, it upsets some people who like to get away with unethical conduct.
JenJen
Posted On:2010-01-15 08:28:52
I tried vibration traing in some fancy studio in London a few yrs back. Went for about 4 weeks but stopped as I developed back problems. At the time I was only about 23 or 24 and in good shape with no issues before this. It started with an ach in my lower back which later developed into a sciatica down my left leg.I used to get such pain in the top of the left buttocks which used to keep me awake all night . At the time I went to doctor and was ordered straight off these machines and into physiotherapy. for the next year I was addicted to pain killers, sleeping tablets, drink, also in and out of physiotherapy.Jen
John
Posted On:2010-01-15 05:39:49
I want to respond to a question about my identity. I am not currently involved in academia. I do know many researchers and was a research assistant to former U.S. Olympic Committee Head of Sports Physiology Dr. Mike Stone. I have a graduate degree in exercise science and have published articles with the NSCA in the past, written advertising articles with legendary performance specialist Mark Verstegen when I consulted with an exercise company in 03 and 04, etc. I had a long family illness prior to that. You may want to google John Weatherly and Mark Verstegen.
John Weatherly
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-01-14 22:35:17
Tina...
Because we do not operate out of fear, and by facing every opponent we learn how to handle different situations. We have been doing this for over 3 years and ran the worlds #1 site so we got to see the good, bad and the ugly of our industry. If we wish to protect the consumer and have an honest industry, it has to be done.
Tina
Posted On:2010-01-14 22:02:53
I was just sent this link by text so had to have a look. Having said what you just did,why do you open yourself up to a pulic forum
PhilippaChurch
Posted On:2010-01-14 19:34:48
To the David using a fake name that has now been deleted..
I think you have been seriously misinformed somewhere along the line. I have had dealings with Lloyd now for 18 months, the first year in a purely advisory capacity. When I was looking for machines to set up a studio Lloyds advice was nothing but honest, unbiased and altruisitic. I spoke to a number of other people who have had dealings with him and all said the same.
As a result 6 months ago, SOLELY based on the now implicit trust I have for Lloyd we set up with Vibratrain machines. Lloyd continues to work with us in the same way.
What I am saying here us that his conduct is not affected by whether or not you are affiliated to him. His approach was fair, generous and honest before we had anything to do with Vibratrain.
Yes you will find Lloyd is like a terrier, or maybe even rotweiler, in his defense of the industry but I have never know or heard of this being done by underhand methods and this certainly does not accord with his character.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-01-14 15:40:55
See this is why it is important that people ALWAYS use their real full name.....
John is John Weatherly, a U.S. based academic. You can Google him if you wish and I am sure he will jump on and state his position in all of this.
It is my opinion that if people can Google each other and confirm a persons ID, location and interests it helps with trust. As we are discussing such an important issue as peoples health, I think everyone would agree full disclosure is the only policy to have.
DebPelletier
Posted On:2010-01-14 13:54:22
Attn Tom. I take offense to your uneducated comment. In my opinion you have one of 2 agendas. 1.You are on are Blacklist disguising yourself in an effort to cause waves and discredit Lloyd. 2. You are too lazy to do your own homework and get on a real machine. Depending on where you are located, you may not have REAL machines around nor REAL training. Above all you obviously have spent no time reading thru this site. I am a Studio Owner and ALL of my clients would disagree with you. Man up, and we will embrace you...hide and you will never know what you are missing.
Using your full name is a good idea if you want to be taken seriously and appear to have conviction in your statements.
For general questions by the consumer and medical issues this is not really needed, but when either attacking or defending our industry I believe it is imperative full disclosure is given. Any positive or negative statements will only remain up if accompanied by your first and last name, and we can confirm you are a real person.
Note... We have 2 Toms on the board already.
In any converstation about honestly and ethics hiding behind a pseudonym is an oxy-moron.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-01-14 12:16:49
Talk the talk eh Tom ?
So have you done High Energy Lineal training yourself. Or are you just projecting your inability to understand something on us. I challenge you to come and try it, we will video you and put it up on youtube no matter what the outcome. If you step off the machine and say " it did nothing" you score a massive point for your argument. Deal ?
So you going to front up and put your money were your mouth is ?
( my guess is he will run away like every other challenge put to our skeptics, these guys have no conviction )
Note; The U.S. Olympic swim team and the Chinese Gymnastic team are the 2 best examples of athletes taking this technology seriously.
tom
Posted On:2010-01-14 11:31:44
God you talk a load of rubbish on this site, everybody knows it doesnt work. If its so good name some famous sports people who uses this type of training lloyd . put some good proof up instead of just talking the talk . Its the old story,go on about nothing enough then fools beleive anything. You should be in car sales or politics.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-01-11 12:08:33
Seeing as we know how "keeping up appearances " is so important for a company like Power Plate ( as with all confidence artists ) it is very telling. Especially if 2 others were there .
I am hoping more trainers and academics are realizing they are not the #1 company, and are just a mid-range product with lots of false claims and fancy marketing. I must admit I have been VERY surprised at who was taken in by them. I can not wait until we arrive on the scene and open some eyes and minds to what Vibration Training really is.
John
Posted On:2010-01-10 06:28:43
Good news for all of us who value ethical behavior in the exercise industry. A friend who is attending the NSCA Sport Specific Conference in Orlando said Power Plate did not even show up as an exhibitor at the conference. However, there were two vibration companies I am familiar with at the conference as exhibitors. Power Plate is in financial trouble, running scared, or both. Power Plate is a company built on deceit. The last lie, just one of many, about them having a Power Plate Research Center when it does not exist, should be enough to make academics think twice about ever doing research on equipment from such a dodgy company. We need research on other equipment such as that made by Lloyd. I have informed some academics in the U.S. about this.
Keep up the great work folks and we will rid the exercise industry of this evil culture of Power Plate deceit.
John Weatherly
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-01-09 18:40:10
Short answer: I would say the risks outweigh the benefits, as you are actually throwing an unset mass from side-to-side. Because unless you superglued a vest to someone you are going to end up going one direction, while the added mass is still going the other.
The lag in the movement would create shearing somewhere.
Gabriel
Posted On:2010-01-09 17:21:03
Thank you for your responses Lloyd. Both very clear and concise explanations. Things are picking up here in the states and I find myself constantly having to explain the differences between the vibraflex and the other pivotals, proelixe, Noblerex etc.
Curious as to how you feel about increasing mass with additional weight on the pivotal
what benefits do you see being achieved
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-01-09 16:32:36
To answer your question about Pivotal units losing speed, this is much less likely than a Lineal.
The reason being is on a Pivotal as one foot comes up the other drives down ( almost like a see-saw ) . This divides not only the g-forces acting on the opposing leg by half, but also takes load off the drive system. In fact the machine only has to have enough power to tilt a quarter a persons body weight ( not lift entirely as in Lineal ) for it to not lose speed. So it would take a really crappy system to fail on that count.
But there is a huge difference to just tilting, and tilting with power and acceleration. As you have now discovered.
I will be writing alot more on this in the future. So people understand why I have added inertia into the equation.
Di Heap
Posted On:2010-01-09 16:24:09
Lloyd’s yells of “Get down lower”, “The sign over the door says Vibra-Train not Vibra-Massage”, and “Don’t you dare fail, no, you’re not going to die”, really do not help the flow of “nice”, informational movies..
BUT, I’m hoping for a better look (bring on the 6-pack abs) and some proper yelling instruction in the next series to be launched soon. And of course all are welcome to visit and experience a “hands on” vibra-training session for themselves.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-01-09 16:14:53
You simply can not compare Vibra-Flex/Galileo to a unit like the K1 . The gearing system and drive are miles apart.
Even the smallest home unit Vibra-Flex make is better than the closest pivotal Pro competition.
And as you have deduced, the g-forces on paper never compare to a trial and perceived exertion test. It is a shame Galileo are not more open to working with me on educating people about their side of the industry, and the pit-falls. But as long as they are out there telling people Pivotal is everything, and trash talking Lineal. They are on their own and fighting a losing battle against cheap copies.
Gabriel
Posted On:2010-01-09 14:58:03
When comparing the Noblerex to the Vibraflex, there is a major difference in their max acceleration. The Noblerex max is 4Gs while the vibraflex is 16Gs...on the 450 model..at the perimeter. I understand that the G force is grossly exaggerated as an indicator of the performance of the machine, but would you agree that the muscular response would be much greater with a machine delivering a higher rate of acceleration...question mark. It seems that this would make sense from a physics standpoint.
Do you think the Noblerex would maintain it specs with a heavier individual...question mark.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-01-09 11:26:40
For the price the K1 is a decent Home / Pro unit.
They have a very low if non-existent breakdown rate.
Regarding the video,... They cut the strip tease and hand-to-hand combat section from the series. They said it "didnt flow". But what would those arty types know.
Gabriel
Posted On:2010-01-09 04:39:05
Hi Lloyd,
I need an unbiased answer to a question.
What is the quality level of the Noblerex K1.
I like the videos by the way. If only you could have yelled a little bit...then I would have had the full experience...just a joke.
John,
Thanks for monitoring the pubmed research.That obesity study was interesting.
