I have a problem with a Vibrer trim device purchased on Trademe what the hell should i do about it. It packed up after 4 months and the MF who sold it to me wont give me my coin back...dang

A very interesting abstract from work by Marin and Rhea published in JSCR can be read at www.nlm.nih.gov, click on PubMed, and type in vibration exercise as search terms.  It is the second one that comes up right now.  They talk about differences in platforms which is something Lloyd has been preaching ever since I have been in contact with him and say vibration training can be good for chronic strength gains.

John Weatherly

Thought you all might like to read widely regarded amendment to Blooms Taxonomy of Learning by Anderson and Krathwohl 2001.  This is generally believed to have superceeded Blooms.  The hierachy of skills with the first being the least skilled and the last being the most developed is as follows.

1. REMEMBERING

2.UNDERSTANDING

3. APPLYING

4.ANALYSING

5 EVALUATING

6. CREATING

As you can see creating new work based on all the factors below number 6 is seen as the highest order skill.  Many academics only often get as far as 1 and 2. 

Thank you, Lloyd.

Academics – my son will begin his PhD in 3 weeks time.  I am not unfamiliar with the way certification is paraded as wisdom – quite simply, it makes me sick.

  I have a PHD in sports medicine

What are all you qualifications

science can explain it but you say these educated people are wrong yet you have no education and claim to be the knowledge base with no schooling in science. So I am because i say so....wow some opinion.

quality content you have Lloyd..all the best

JenJen

I’m sorry you had such a bad experience of using a Vibration Machine.  Like Philippa said, this is why we, who work in this industry, are so steadfast in seeking out bad operators and poorly designed machines and shaming those who provide abhorrent service. 

Perhaps you used a poor quality machine or followed a bad program.  Perhaps your instructor was at fault.  Can you please give more details – the brand of machine used and program or the studio you went to.  If you don’t want to say here then send the details to Lloyd Shaw (email details on the Vibra-Train website).  Perhaps your injury was not from vibration machines.  I only say this as I got a very similar injury from tripping over (falling forward).  A whole year of physical therapy did not help and the nerve pain down my leg meant I could not even lie on that side not sit in a chair for more than a few minutes or travel at all.  It was Vibration Training using high quality lineal machines and the( http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program ) Safety Program that fixed me (it took just 6 weeks for full relief). 

It’s the complete opposite to what you’ve experienced and I’d love to help you.  We can only do this if you provide more information.

JenJen

I am going to go on the assumption that you are genuine and not somehow linked with the playground gang who seem to be playing what we call knock down ginger in the UK, a game where you knock on someones door and then run off. 

It is forums like these, designed to advise on safety and to expose companies and individuals who are more concerned with a quick buck than their clients wellbeing, that would have protected you from what sounds like a bad experience.  The unique feature of vibration training is that it gets results so quickly which is due to the sheer power and force exerted by a decent machine.  This same power can be become a threat rather than an ally if you are following a programme that is not safe, and can as you may have experienced, cause shearing and various problems.  Currently there is no regulation out there to protect the consumer and someone can set up a studio with no training. The so called training provided by some manufacturers is laughable.  Likewise for home machines the programmes are scarily ignorant and oftten even include a programme for a pivotal machine that is actually only suitable for a lineal.  It is exactly this that Lloyd is combating  and as you are seeing, it upsets some people who like to get away with unethical conduct.

I want to respond to a question about my identity.  I am not currently involved in academia.  I do know many researchers and was a research assistant to former U.S. Olympic Committee Head of Sports Physiology Dr. Mike Stone.  I have a graduate degree in exercise science and have published articles with the NSCA in the past, written advertising articles with legendary performance specialist Mark Verstegen when I consulted with an exercise company in 03 and 04, etc.  I had a long family illness prior to that.  You may want to google John Weatherly and Mark Verstegen.

John Weatherly

 I was just sent this link by text so had to have a look. Having said what you just did,why do you open yourself up to a pulic forum

To the David using a fake name that has now been deleted..

I think you have been seriously misinformed somewhere along the line.  I have had dealings with Lloyd now for 18 months, the first year in a purely advisory capacity.  When I was looking for machines to set up a studio Lloyds advice was nothing but honest, unbiased and altruisitic.  I spoke to a number of other people who have had dealings with him and all said the same. 

As a result 6 months ago, SOLELY based on the  now implicit  trust I have for Lloyd we set up with Vibratrain machines.  Lloyd continues to work with us in the same way.

What I am saying here us that his conduct is not affected by whether or not you are affiliated to him.  His approach was fair, generous  and honest before we had anything to do with Vibratrain.

Yes you will find Lloyd is like a terrier, or maybe even rotweiler, in his defense of the industry but I have never know or heard of this being done by underhand methods and this certainly does not accord with his character.

Attn Tom. I take offense to your uneducated comment. In my opinion you have one of 2 agendas. 1.You are on are Blacklist disguising yourself in an effort to cause waves and discredit Lloyd. 2. You are too lazy to do your own homework and get on a real machine. Depending on where you are located, you may not have REAL machines around nor REAL training. Above all you obviously have spent no time reading thru this site. I am a Studio Owner and ALL of my clients would disagree with you. Man up, and we will embrace you...hide and you will never know what you are missing.

God you talk a load of rubbish on this site, everybody knows it doesnt work. If its so good name some famous sports people who uses this type of training lloyd . put some good proof up instead of just talking the  talk . Its the old story,go on about nothing enough then fools beleive anything. You should be in car sales or politics.  

Good news for all of us who value ethical behavior in the exercise industry.  A friend who is attending the NSCA Sport Specific Conference in Orlando said Power Plate did not even show up as an exhibitor at the conference.  However, there were two vibration companies I am familiar with at the conference as exhibitors.  Power Plate is in financial trouble, running scared, or both.  Power Plate is a  company built on deceit.  The last lie, just one of many, about them having a Power Plate Research Center when it does not exist, should be enough to make academics think twice about ever doing research on equipment from such a dodgy company.  We need research on other equipment such as that made by Lloyd.  I have informed some academics in the U.S. about this.

Keep up the great work folks and we will rid the exercise industry of this evil culture of Power Plate deceit.

John Weatherly

Thank you for your responses Lloyd. Both very clear and concise explanations. Things are picking up here in the states and I find myself constantly having to explain the differences between the vibraflex and the other pivotals, proelixe, Noblerex etc.

Curious as to how you feel about increasing mass with additional weight on the pivotal

what benefits do you see being achieved