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PhilippaChurch Posted On:2010-04-21 17:46:10

Yes indeed. In this case it was to add extra stability to an anxious reporter with poor balance who was being asked to talk  to the camera crew during exercises.  We wanted to increase stability and her confidence.  The high price of fame. 

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-04-21 13:21:21
Please note:  The stretch is done " feet hip width apart and perfectly straight " 
 
Not " horse width apart "  
 
Di Heap Posted On:2010-04-21 10:16:18

Resonance Vibration Training in Ampthill, Bedfordshire, U.K. is the first studio in Europe to have Vibra-Train (New Zealand designed and manufactured) machines.

Click on the link to see an article in the local Bedford Today News

www.bedfordtoday.co.uk/bed-news/VIDEO-Buzzing-about-vibration-training.6230797.jp

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-04-19 20:28:51
Yes its all coming. Every single pose broken down it "dos and don'ts."
 
Should be filming this weekend if things go according to plan.
 
Dean Posted On:2010-04-19 19:36:29

Lloyd

I like your videos, and they helped me to understand vibration training better. In that matter I have a proposal. It would be nice for us around the globe, who are trying to implemet safety program on our customers, to see you presenting it on video, together with tips, and most common mistakes. Is there a chance for such video to be uploaded soon.

 

Thanks

 
Di Heap Posted On:2010-04-19 15:46:50

 

Click on this link to watch a video about the origins of this website.  Especially good for newbies to know where we came from and the community’s motivation for running this site

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU1tuWrE8mY

 

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-04-17 09:34:27
None of the Power Plate platforms perform well enough to induce the "drop jumping" effect.  So they will always bottom out at the resistance training level. So yes it is infuriating to see these "smart" people not highlight that.
 
But I do find it curious how even studies done on them show time and time again  " WBV does not have any beneficial effects over traditional strength training methods " 
 
Which effectively means it is "just as good as resistance training " but as we know a lot faster. So you would think that the time saving factor, and its compressed size compared to a whole gym , would count as something it has over weight training for an athlete. The only downside being the cost, but only if you were buying one for yourself.      
 
John Posted On:2010-04-17 02:44:07

A couple interesting studies recently by Desmoulin et al. in the April 9 issue of Spine and Fernandez et al. in the April 9 issue of JSCR.  The abstracts can be read at www.nlm.nih.gov, click on PubMed, and type in vibration training as search words.

The Desmoulin et al. study looked at bovine intervertebral discs and vibration.  They conclued extracellular matrix genes were upregulated which could have a positive therapeutic effect.

The study in JSCR by Fernandez et al. looked at WBV on Power Plate at 30 to 35 Hz and 4 mm amplitude and found no benefits for female basketball players.  They concluded WBV does not have any beneficial effects over traditional strength training methods.  I think they should state that this training protocol on Power Plate did not have any beneficial effects.   I do not understand why researchers, with all the different platforms available, seem to think studies on Power Plate apply to other platforms.  This seems simple.  There could be differences in equipment and the results obtained but they lump them together. 

Considering what Lloyd has said about frequencies on Power Plate not being accurate, it could be this study by Fernandez et al. is invalid.  If this is true, the literature is contaminated by these types of studies.

John Weatherly

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-04-13 21:29:47
From a purely scientific point of view, 1 particular Fq should cause a better response. But I have seen no studies detailed enough to confirm this. Until then I think as long as the Fq is above 12hz and below 100 hz there should a be a positive response. I would say Fq of use would play a much larger part than actual Fq.
 
The contradictory studies you see I believe reflect just that.
 
I have found 43Hz to be a good overall setting to be used. Again results + comfort means you are more likely to stick with this form of training. Another bonus is that at 43hz,  even on a Medium Energy Lineal machine, it will be creating some inertia. Enough to give limited training benefits.
 
For reliability and price try DKN or Wave. But remember you get what you pay for.
 
      
 
aj Posted On:2010-04-13 20:51:17

I read those 2 articles previously which help explained the theory behind vibration training and increased bone density and muscular development but my question was more specific to the frequencies.  I have come across numerous contradictory studies  some stating that lower frequencies will cause a greater increase in bone density while others say it is higher frequencies that will cause a greater increase.  With your background could you input

Is there a frequency that would combine both an increase in bone density and muscular devolopment instead of choosing one or the other


and sorry for asking this again but could you recommend a cost effective product that would help me in increasing my bone density and muscular development

I play college lacrosse and have had 2 bone related injuries in the past year that is why im interested in the bone density aspects of vibration training

 

thanks

 

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-04-13 18:56:18
Yes your questions have been answered in these articles, here on bone development .......  http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/vibration-training-and-bone-density
 
 
 Can I ask why you are worried about bone density at your age ?
 
Aj Posted On:2010-04-13 18:20:23

Lloyd,

I have a few questions.

I have come across a few articles stating that certain frequences can increase bone density.  Some articles stated that lower frequencies were used for increased bone density, while others stated that frequencies as high as 50 or 60 showed more increase in bone density.  With your vast expierence in this field could you clear this up. 

What frequency should be used to maximize muscular development

Is there frequency that would combine both an increase in bone density and muscular devolopment

I am a college student in the U.S. and as one can infer on a tight budget is there a product you could recommend for me if I was interested in increasing both bone density and muscular developement.  I apologize if any of these questions have been previously asked.

thanks

 

 

 
Di Heap Posted On:2010-04-12 20:56:02

Over the past week site moderators have removed comments that attacked my ability to work in the Vibration Training industry because I am not super slim and athletic looking.  Actually I am very qualified, not only by learning from the best but because, for me, Vibration Training has been quite probably a life-saver.

I have replied to the (deleted) comments with an article on my website www.vibeplus.com  I’d welcome my detractors to contact me but I think they are too cowardly to front up.

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-04-12 13:57:38
If you see my new article on headaches http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/headaches-when-vibration-training-reasons-and-cures  , I would say this falls into a "blood pressure increase"  category. But for you your blood is entering an area but not draining as quickly. And because it is an area encased in bone this pressure will be felt as pain. Note: The heat and throbbing you mention also backs this up as the likely offender.
 
This may just be a naturally a-symmetrical blockage, with one artery (  http://www.merriam-webster.com/art/med/artery.htm  see #1 ) being slightly smaller than the other side. Or it could be an unnatural blockage like plaque.  Either way you have a small restriction there.
 
A couple of easy things to try  .......
 
(1) You may want to make sure you are 100% relaxed in the upper body. Even just dropping your arms down to your side ( like a monkey ). I know it looks silly but it can teach you to not tense up your shoulders and neck. 
 
(2) Blood thinners may work.
 
As you train harder and more anabolic-ally  there may be an increase in testosterone. Enough to make your blood slightly thicker. Note: This will only happen with males.  
 
Willie Nugent Posted On:2010-04-11 22:48:41

Hi Lloyd,

                Recently during my WBV training(Bodyshaker Junior) i have felt a strong throbbing pain in the right side of my upper neck/lower skull area half way between the centre of my neck and the back of my right ear.The pain was quite severe with a throbbing /pumping action.It seems to happen during the "superman" squat( Bodyshaker set at 40hz for 1 min) towards the last 20 seconds or so of the exercise/pose.It starts to ease off quickly after the exercise/pose is finished with the exception that the whole area of my neck and lower skull became quite hot which lasted for app. 1.5-2.0 hours. Any help/thought's would be much appreciated.

Thank's in advance.
 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-04-09 13:06:32
I write enough material so people do not get ripped off or get simple vibrations mixed up with Vibration Training. Hell its even explained in 16 words at the top of each page here......
 
 

3 Rules to remember

1. Any Vibration does not = Vibration Training
2. Light Vibration = Therapy
3. Heavy Vibration = Training
 
So if I come across a little rude when giving repeat advice to people who obviously cant be bothered to read my articles, then so be it.
 
And who is going to deal to me, you are not even man enough to put up your real name are you. So my advice is to keep your opinions to yourself until you grow some.. 
 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-04-09 12:33:30
Kristen...
 
How would a vibrating belt make you lose weight ?  If simple vibration made you lose weight all truck drivers would be skinny.   
 
Frobon....   (  disgusting comment removed ) 
 
How desperate are you guys getting ?  I must really be hurting your sales huh. Very good.    
 
Kristen Posted On:2010-04-09 11:58:47

Does anyone have any thoughts on that vibrating belt that goes round the waist. You used to see them 20-30 yrs ago here in the UK. Will this trim my waist fast

 
Gabriel Posted On:2010-04-09 04:42:37

Thanks for the reply Lloyd. Any Vibra Trains in the US anytime soon ?

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-04-08 14:36:20
For background info on our past contact with the "Sonic" companies, read this forum.   http://www.diet-blog.com/archives/2005/10/02/good_vibrations.php?page=1
 
They make an appearance in the last few pages.  
 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-04-08 13:28:38
Vestibular Issues....
 
Have had no problems to date. Even though I was expecting a certain % not be be able to do Vibration Training for this very reason. I believe the accelerations are too fast and amplitudes too low to register and cause problems. The reason I say this, is I have had a report of someone using a Lineal system on 2-5 hz / 15mm and being effected for a week after.
 
Different Fqs for different muscles...?
 
I still have seen no evidence of this to date. EMG activity and acceleration may register activation, but not pressure within the muscle. Which I have found to be far more important than how fast the muscle moves.
 
Note; After 5 years of all my machines running at 43Hz, I would have seen a pattern of imbalance in body symmetry and composition. Instead I have seen the opposite. Peoples bodies becoming very athletic and balanced looking, from being a-symmetrical to start with.   
 
Maurice (MO) Posted On:2010-04-08 02:44:52

Lloyd, I just sent you an email with some interesting documents.

 
Gabriel Posted On:2010-04-08 02:00:41

Thats an interesting video....kinda spooky. I thought perhaps peoples organs were exploding. Curious as to whether you have had anyone momentum getting a VibraTrain in the US. 

Also, had two questions for you:

 

1)      What are your thoughts on vestibular issues and vibration training? Obviously, this is not a contraindication, but certainly a question that comes up quite often in rehab….especially with geriatrics.  I understand the importance of positioning and eliminating head “acceleration”, but those individuals with more “tension” throughout the connective tissue systems or more restricted joints (usually hand in hand) often have difficulty eliminating the vibration from their heads completely. I have had, for the most part, no issues so far so my concern grows less with each patient, but I am interested in what has been the case with your experiences overall  at the studios.  

 

2)      In reviewing research, I have come across several people that suggest the most beneficial frequencies for an individual may differ because of the differences in the movement capabilities of their specific body (a reflection of muscle cross-section, pre-tension (tone), tensile strengths of fascia etc.).  So, with that in mind, it is suggested that achieving resonance with the users body, will ultimately achieve the greatest effects. They suggest using accelerometers on the body parts being trained and matching the frequency of movement with that of the machine. Any comments on this?

 

 

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-04-07 20:33:22
Industry news.... 
 
 
 
I spoke with Mr Maurice Goulet this morning. And he informed the issues were of mechanical failure in the new Asian built machines. Talking to him it sounds like a repeat of the Power Plate story all over again. That combined with HyperGravity's mechanical issues it seems the poor U.S. market does not have many choices. 
 
On a good note......  
 
It would seem that Vibro-Gym has new backers so will continue to keep going.  As long as they keep producing the Pro model. At least there is another reliable machine on the market.  
 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-04-07 13:32:23
More light vibration therapy products that claim to increase athletic performance. Probably nice to wear for a neck massage, and it would stimulate the central nervous system. But I would be worried about over exposure.
 
 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-04-06 06:54:41
Definitely limited to a therapy device, but then that is all they are mainly selling it as. Even though they do add in " gain strength " to the list, which is slightly misleading.
 
From the look at the recommended exercises, they are all basically massages.  Massage does not cause any strength gains I am aware of.  But at least some-one had their thinking cap on getting it off the ground and a more ergonomic shape. 

Note...  With the base looking quite light, the vibration must not be very energetic or it would walk.
 
John Posted On:2010-04-06 01:49:36

I ran across a vibration therapy device I had not seen before.  It uses a drum.  Conditioning coaches with the Cleveland Browns and also Ohio State are helping promote it.  See www.swissttp.com.

John Weatherly

 
Dean Posted On:2010-04-06 00:09:27

Thanks a lot

I expect there will be more of those questions in next weeks and months.

 
PhilippaChurch Posted On:2010-04-05 00:54:14

You can also do the programme onthe higher frequency till they get used to it. 

 
PhilippaChurch Posted On:2010-04-05 00:52:56

We have found that many headaches are solely caused by tension in the neck.    As you say head position adjustment important but also making sure people drop their shoulders on relax neck in squats and really really are looking at knees in tricep, push up, pelvic etc.   People often  arrive in big rush and are still tense from work kids etc and carry that with them into the poses.   For one a trip to the osteopath who manipulated her neck was an instant cure.  For some we have found that not holding the handles can help and also on one occasion wrapping a yoga mat round the handle bars helped during basic and wide stance squat.  It can be trial and error.  One other thing is to do the exercise that triggers the headache most last. 

 
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