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We are currently working with a child with cerebral palsy. we have loaned the Bodyshaker to her and she uses it every day for massage. She has really poor circulation in hands and feet and it has helped her. Her parents have noticed other small changes too. She is going to get fitted with a whole body suit soon which will act as a kind of corset and we are wondering whether this may allow her to do any standing positions as the suit will help maintain the correct aligment. Her OT and physio are coming soon to look at the machine and see what they think so I will feed back.
Lloyd
Posted On:2010-04-21 19:35:42
Positioning..... Its a hard call, because even though you want them to do some form of "training", being out of pose long term could cause other issues. Units for these exact situations have been designed but we are years off being able to release them due to no demand or real interest from the Associations that report findings and new developments to these communities. If the person has no way of ever holding a remotely correct pose, I would say stick with massage and seated work.
Massage Fq....... Anything over 40 hz is good. Creates enough energy and is smooth enough not to distress a child.
Note: Seated work until fatigue ( approx 10 mins ) works well on reducing spasticity in legs. But it must be done to fatigue if you want the full effect. Short bursts can actually excite the muscle in some cases
Dean
Posted On:2010-04-21 19:10:30
Spasticity
There some evidence that VT can help people with cerebral palsy-CP. Sine I opened VT studio, there are lots of parents of children with CP that are interested in this method of excercising, encouraged by reports lihe this
So far I treated only one adult wit modified safety program with good initial results regarding reduced spasticity and increased mobility. The problem with CP children is that in severe cases they can not stand by themselves, let along be positioned in good pose on safety program.
Should I try just massage in the beginning. Is there specific frequency that some of you have expirience with, that give best results in such a task. Is there some modification of original poses that can be of use in children with CP.
Thanks
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-04-21 18:41:51
There are a few scenarios where Pivotal would used over Lineal ...
(1) Specific balance training. But only at the lower speeds.
(2) Severely compressed disc in back.
(3) In the case where a person is wheelchair bound but can still stand lock-legged.
PhilippaChurch
Posted On:2010-04-21 18:22:32
Could you give some specific examples where pivotal machines would be be a better choice for people please. Pelvic floor muscles I know and have read articles but would be good to have a few more examples. Thanks
PhilippaChurch
Posted On:2010-04-21 18:16:38
Tempting though. It is a nightmare trying to position reporters who of course have other agendas than yours and are more concerned about camera angle and creating a good shot than staying in position which is I guess understandable for them. We did actually bring in our own model, customer, for the shots to avoid this but hey. Good to have the free publicity so we are very pleased.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-04-21 17:51:47
Yes I suppose beating the reporter on camera would not have been a good look.
PhilippaChurch
Posted On:2010-04-21 17:46:10
Yes indeed. In this case it was to add extra stability to an anxious reporter with poor balance who was being asked to talk to the camera crew during exercises. We wanted to increase stability and her confidence. The high price of fame.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-04-21 13:21:21
Please note: The stretch is done " feet hip width apart and perfectly straight "
Not " horse width apart "
Di Heap
Posted On:2010-04-21 10:16:18
Resonance Vibration Training in Ampthill, Bedfordshire, U.K. is the first studio in Europe to have Vibra-Train (New Zealand designed and manufactured) machines.
Click on the link to see an article in the local Bedford Today News
Yes its all coming. Every single pose broken down it "dos and don'ts."
Should be filming this weekend if things go according to plan.
Dean
Posted On:2010-04-19 19:36:29
Lloyd
I like your videos, and they helped me to understand vibration training better. In that matter I have a proposal. It would be nice for us around the globe, who are trying to implemet safety program on our customers, to see you presenting it on video, together with tips, and most common mistakes. Is there a chance for such video to be uploaded soon.
Thanks
Di Heap
Posted On:2010-04-19 15:46:50
Click on this link to watch a video about the origins of this website.Especially good for newbies to know where we came from and the community’s motivation for running this site
None of the Power Plate platforms perform well enough to induce the "drop jumping" effect. So they will always bottom out at the resistance training level. So yes it is infuriating to see these "smart" people not highlight that.
But I do find it curious how even studies done on them show time and time again " WBV does not have any beneficial effects over traditional strength training methods "
Which effectively means it is "just as good as resistance training " but as we know a lot faster. So you would think that the time saving factor, and its compressed size compared to a whole gym , would count as something it has over weight training for an athlete. The only downside being the cost, but only if you were buying one for yourself.
John
Posted On:2010-04-17 02:44:07
A couple interesting studies recently by Desmoulin et al. in the April 9 issue of Spine and Fernandez et al. in the April 9 issue of JSCR. The abstracts can be read at www.nlm.nih.gov, click on PubMed, and type in vibration training as search words.
The Desmoulin et al. study looked at bovine intervertebral discs and vibration. They conclued extracellular matrix genes were upregulated which could have a positive therapeutic effect.
The study in JSCR by Fernandez et al. looked at WBV on Power Plate at 30 to 35 Hz and 4 mm amplitude and found no benefits for female basketball players. They concluded WBV does not have any beneficial effects over traditional strength training methods. I think they should state that this training protocol on Power Plate did not have any beneficial effects. I do not understand why researchers, with all the different platforms available, seem to think studies on Power Plate apply to other platforms. This seems simple. There could be differences in equipment and the results obtained but they lump them together.
Considering what Lloyd has said about frequencies on Power Plate not being accurate, it could be this study by Fernandez et al. is invalid. If this is true, the literature is contaminated by these types of studies.
John Weatherly
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-04-13 21:29:47
From a purely scientific point of view, 1 particular Fq should cause a better response. But I have seen no studies detailed enough to confirm this. Until then I think as long as the Fq is above 12hz and below 100 hz there should a be a positive response. I would say Fq of use would play a much larger part than actual Fq.
The contradictory studies you see I believe reflect just that.
I have found 43Hz to be a good overall setting to be used. Again results + comfort means you are more likely to stick with this form of training. Another bonus is that at 43hz, even on a Medium Energy Lineal machine, it will be creating some inertia. Enough to give limited training benefits.
For reliability and price try DKN or Wave. But remember you get what you pay for.
aj
Posted On:2010-04-13 20:51:17
I read those 2 articles previously which help explained the theory behind vibration training and increased bone density and muscular development but my question was more specific to the frequencies. I have come across numerous contradictory studies some stating that lower frequencies will cause a greater increase in bone density while others say it is higher frequencies that will cause a greater increase. With your background could you input
Is there a frequency that would combine both an increase in bone density and muscular devolopment instead of choosing one or the other
and sorry for asking this again but could you recommend a cost effective product that would help me in increasing my bone density and muscular development
I play college lacrosse and have had 2 bone related injuries in the past year that is why im interested in the bone density aspects of vibration training
Can I ask why you are worried about bone density at your age ?
Aj
Posted On:2010-04-13 18:20:23
Lloyd,
I have a few questions.
I have come across a few articles stating that certain frequences can increase bone density. Some articles stated that lower frequencies were used for increased bone density, while others stated that frequencies as high as 50 or 60 showed more increase in bone density. With your vast expierence in this field could you clear this up.
What frequency should be used to maximize muscular development
Is there frequency that would combine both an increase in bone density and muscular devolopment
I am a college student in the U.S. and as one can infer on a tight budget is there a product you could recommend for me if I was interested in increasing both bone density and muscular developement. I apologize if any of these questions have been previously asked.
thanks
Di Heap
Posted On:2010-04-12 20:56:02
Over the past week site moderators have removed comments that attacked my ability to work in the Vibration Training industry because I am not super slim and athletic looking. Actually I am very qualified, not only by learning from the best but because, for me, Vibration Training has been quite probably a life-saver.
I have replied to the (deleted) comments with an article on my website www.vibeplus.comI’d welcome my detractors to contact me but I think they are too cowardly to front up.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-04-12 13:57:38
If you see my new article on headaches http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/headaches-when-vibration-training-reasons-and-cures , I would say this falls into a "blood pressure increase" category. But for you your blood is entering an area but not draining as quickly. And because it is an area encased in bone this pressure will be felt as pain. Note: The heat and throbbing you mention also backs this up as the likely offender.
This may just be a naturally a-symmetrical blockage, with one artery ( http://www.merriam-webster.com/art/med/artery.htm see #1 ) being slightly smaller than the other side. Or it could be an unnatural blockage like plaque. Either way you have a small restriction there.
A couple of easy things to try .......
(1) You may want to make sure you are 100% relaxed in the upper body. Even just dropping your arms down to your side ( like a monkey ). I know it looks silly but it can teach you to not tense up your shoulders and neck.
(2) Blood thinners may work.
As you train harder and more anabolic-ally there may be an increase in testosterone. Enough to make your blood slightly thicker. Note: This will only happen with males.
Willie Nugent
Posted On:2010-04-11 22:48:41
Hi Lloyd,
Recently during my WBV training(Bodyshaker Junior) i have felt a strong throbbing pain in the right side of my upper neck/lower skull area half way between the centre of my neck and the back of my right ear.The pain was quite severe with a throbbing /pumping action.It seems to happen during the "superman" squat( Bodyshaker set at 40hz for 1 min) towards the last 20 seconds or so of the exercise/pose.It starts to ease off quickly after the exercise/pose is finished with the exception that the whole area of my neck and lower skull became quite hot which lasted for app. 1.5-2.0 hours. Any help/thought's would be much appreciated.
Thank's in advance.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-04-09 13:06:32
I write enough material so people do not get ripped off or get simple vibrations mixed up with Vibration Training. Hell its even explained in 16 words at the top of each page here......
3 Rules to remember
1. Any Vibration does not = Vibration Training
2. Light Vibration = Therapy
3. Heavy Vibration = Training
So if I come across a little rude when giving repeat advice to people who obviously cant be bothered to read my articles, then so be it.
And who is going to deal to me, you are not even man enough to put up your real name are you. So my advice is to keep your opinions to yourself until you grow some..
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train
Posted On:2010-04-09 12:33:30
Kristen...
How would a vibrating belt make you lose weight ? If simple vibration made you lose weight all truck drivers would be skinny.
Frobon.... ( disgusting comment removed )
How desperate are you guys getting ? I must really be hurting your sales huh. Very good.
Kristen
Posted On:2010-04-09 11:58:47
Does anyone have any thoughts on that vibrating belt that goes round the waist. You used to see them 20-30 yrs ago here in the UK. Will this trim my waist fast
Gabriel
Posted On:2010-04-09 04:42:37
Thanks for the reply Lloyd. Any Vibra Trains in the US anytime soon ?
Have had no problems to date. Even though I was expecting a certain % not be be able to do Vibration Training for this very reason. I believe the accelerations are too fast and amplitudes too low to register and cause problems. The reason I say this, is I have had a report of someone using a Lineal system on 2-5 hz / 15mm and being effected for a week after.
Different Fqs for different muscles...?
I still have seen no evidence of this to date. EMG activity and acceleration may register activation, but not pressure within the muscle. Which I have found to be far more important than how fast the muscle moves.
Note; After 5 years of all my machines running at 43Hz, I would have seen a pattern of imbalance in body symmetry and composition. Instead I have seen the opposite. Peoples bodies becoming very athletic and balanced looking, from being a-symmetrical to start with.
Maurice (MO)
Posted On:2010-04-08 02:44:52
Lloyd, I just sent you an email with some interesting documents.
Gabriel
Posted On:2010-04-08 02:00:41
Thats an interesting video....kinda spooky. I thought perhaps peoples organs were exploding. Curious as to whether you have had anyone momentum getting a VibraTrain in the US.
Also, had two questions for you:
1)What are your thoughts on vestibular issues and vibration training? Obviously, this is not a contraindication, but certainly a question that comes up quite often in rehab….especially with geriatrics.I understand the importance of positioning and eliminating head “acceleration”, but those individuals with more “tension” throughout the connective tissue systems or more restricted joints (usually hand in hand) often have difficulty eliminating the vibration from their heads completely. I have had, for the most part, no issues so far so my concern grows less with each patient, but I am interested in what has been the case with your experiences overall at the studios.
2)In reviewing research, I have come across several people that suggest the most beneficial frequencies for an individual may differ because of the differences in the movement capabilities of their specific body (a reflection of muscle cross-section, pre-tension (tone), tensile strengths of fascia etc.). So, with that in mind, it is suggested that achieving resonance with the users body, will ultimately achieve the greatest effects. They suggest using accelerometers on the body parts being trained and matching the frequency of movement with that of the machine. Any comments on this?
