Gabriel,

Well I might like to see the pdfs. As you may know, the Contour Plus was introduced in 2009. I'm not sure what the timeline was for the other models. I do know the Contour is a plastic Chinese model; the rest Canadian. And I have seen videos of an older model which had a rectangular platform. Depending on when your study was done, that could be the one looked at. The only Wave I have been able to actually test was a Pro Elite.

I kind of hope it's not too much like a Power Plate. I might settle for something at least as powerful as the better Power Plates and way more reliable.

On a completely different topic  (sorry to intrude guys) –

Yesterday a couple, customers at the studio where I work, said I had recently banned told their daughter and told her not to return.   

I can’t remember specifically banning someone, I probably told her not return if she was going to continue to waste her time and mine (as instructor responsible her safe training and results) by messing about and not doing the program properly. Or maybe, by refusing to eat before coming in for a session – which is non-negotiable.    http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/why-eat-before-a-vibration-training-workout

In all the discussions of machine specs and qualities we can sometimes forget these basics – to get a good workout that gives good results (on any machine) the program must be followed exactly.  The IVTRB Safety program (poster and instructions) is used worldwide by many studios using lineal machines and a variation of this program will very soon be released for use with pivotal platforms.

Yesterday I also corrected two customers (strongly worded correction) who had decided they could rearrange the program order because “they preferred it that way”.  And I saw Lloyd explain to one why she couldn’t do a position side resting on her elbow and forearm (as some do on machines of less force. It would have been unsafe on the machine she was using and unwise on most brands of machines so it’s not a pose in the IVTRB Safety Program).  

The Vibra-Train brand take all of the parts of Vibration Training very seriously – I’m really proud to be part of this.

Check out the link below... This is the very reason why people struggle to get their head aroung this industry. Bloody marketeers bashing one system because they sell the other.

http://www.hypergravity.net/Oscillatingvslinear.html

Now check out what some one who cares about this industry says below

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/no-such-thing-as-a-bad-machine

Mike M

I was meaning Josh who owns hypergravity..just go to his site and click on the photo section he is the wee fat guy, lol

http://www.hypergravity.net/Pictures.html

Mike, where do you go to see a photo of this Gabriel with his shirt off? Got a link?

Might be interested to see what the famous Galileo along with Hypergravity is able to accomplish, at that. Like a high budget film versus low-budget (me).

What??? Would I recommend it on vt.net...NO. Not until Josh or someone else produces evidence that it does what it claims to do.

How long has he been producing platforms?? 

I will show you evidence, just have a look at his body does his machine do what he claims…either the answer is no or he doesn’t believe in his product enough to use it!!!

Now take a look at Lloyd with his shirt off, how does he compare??? You can’t ask for a better testimony than that, and it didn’t need an academic to write about it, just took a photo.

There is a big difference between speculating on HOW something works in the body to produce an evidence supported result and just making unsupported claims that a given manufacturers platform can produce that result. The evidence that is referenced in my article on purchasing a platform pertains to the latter. I have no problems and will always support the creative thought process that is needed to answer the HOW question. If no on did this, there would be no way to determine how to design a study and therefore no evolution.

What I believe, and I give credit to others including you for convincing me of this, is that a manufacturer of vibration technology should be required to validate through evidence any claims they make. This is the only way to move forward.

The HG is a phenomenal platform and has positively influenced hundreds of individuals lives in my clinic. One individual being me as it is a key to my training program....along with the Galileo. Would I withold that from my patients and clients...of course not. Would I recommend it on vt.net...NO. Not until Josh or someone else produces evidence that it does what it claims to do. I have told him this and the ball is in his court so to speak. Oncehe has done this, you can be sure it will be at the top of the lineal recommendations.  

Gabriel

you say the only evidence at the time was provided by Lloyd Shaw with regards to hypergravity...

Well i helped 4 different people around the world purchase 7 hypergravity machines and the whole lot had had brake down problems, these people bought these machines in good faith to set up a studio and make a living from them. Even Lloyd tried to help Josh and steer him in the right direction but he refused to listern.

On another note i find it insulting that you would question the only person that i have seen with the passion to take this industry to the world and make a difference in peoples lives. We are very lucky that Lloyd has applied restraint when and where needed. He has a vision that will only play when society is ready to accept it.

Hell he has designed and built the best machine this industry has ever seen and has a whole lot more up his sleeve. If he really had an agenda he would have built and released a home machine years ago and dominated the world.

Not that Lloyd needs me to defend him but when it comes to this industry he has nothing but every one elses interest at heart...Just wait and see

Lloyd,

Thanks for the link to my store where people can purchase the products that they use in my studio and PT practice. Was this supposed to prove something. If you are trying to imply I am a pivotal salesman, your timing is impeccable as I am sure the new article on vt.net will set the record straight for everyone.

I have great respect for Phillipa. The story in this article is much different from the story I was getting in emails from Lloyd and Josh at HG. Either way, didnt think a boycott was warranted at the time. 

Di Heap,

Will you stop with all this "academic" nonsense. I dont sit around in a labcoat all day long. I work each day with both patients and clients...from high level athletes to people with neurological diseases. I am using vibration all day long and am also training other health and fitness professionals including fellow physios, personal trainers and yoga instructors. Can I help someone with a home machine. I should hope so. As far as vt.net, why would anyone trying to assist in moving the industry forward not use that site as a platform. It would be silly to build a new site.

Do you think that an evidence based site excludes the average person. If anything, it filters things out so they know what they are buying. We have no problem with platform inquiries. The site will unfold as it is meant to.

I think I have had enough for now. Thanks for your time.

Mike M,

My first platform was a Hypergravity, which still works perfectly after many years. I did refuse to participate in the Hypergravity bashing on vt.net at the time, but not because of anything pertaining to this conspiracy theory stated below. Just didnt feel my role was to engage in Lloyds war. Of course, it would have been stupid to fight against the person that supports my 6K platform wouldnt it have, but that has nothing to do with anything other than common sense. I dont support any manufacturer that deceives their customers, but the only evidence I had at the time of this was provided by Lloyd. Given all the posts today about me, it is officially confirmed that I made the right decision since the truth of his stories are clearly questionable.

As far as the removed content, although I have no idea how much was removed or what it pertained to, having been a part of the forum, I cannot recall anything too significant to help you with your purchase. On vt.net we support Wave as it has been researched and provides specific benefits. Having that been said, not sure whether the model you are referring to was the one in the studies. If you provide me with an email, I can send you the PDFs of the studies. I have been on the Wave though and it feels like a Powerplate so I would expect a similar feel and similar results.

I agree with you about the posts and am sure the site is not, going forward, censoring content that isnt academic. That would certainly be a very dry and boring forum. We do however hope to encourage more evidence based dialog. Laslty, I openly acknowledge that the name Ted, who was the old site manager, is on articles written by Lloyd. It just isnt within my capabilities to change that.

Gabriel,

 I was rather wishing that the messages on vt.net, which I have been assured were quite many, especially beginning in about 2009, were interesting. You know, I am sure it is commendable to have some academic discussion on there, and I am quite sure it can be enlightening at times, but to exclude all other message postings because you don't like what they say seems short sighted at best. If you remove all the posts you don't like, and only leave dry academic articles, then I would venture that all the fun and most of the interest will be sucked right out of your forum, and nobody will come there, or if they do, they won't be back. It's too boring, if nothing else.

As for myself, I am disappointed that messages that relate to my recently-purchased and soon-to-be-acquired quivering exercise machine, the Wave Contour Plus, were removed along with everything else, and any new purchasers thereof, beginning in 2009, who might have commented on their purchase and how it might kindle the body in a accumulation of unique and profitable ways, had their posts also removed. So I am less enlightened on the subject of my aptness appurtenance equipment. Have a good one.

Again, I do not want to get in the middle of the fight between Gabriel and Lloyd.  I do want to state a fact.  As someone who commented on vt.net, I noticed after the change, blow-up, or whatever you want to call it that the name Lloyd  as author of a large number of articles had been removed and replaced by Ted.  This is fact.  Everybody that participated on vt.net at the time who is honest will back this up.  Thus, Ted or whoever was behind it, falsely took credit for being the author of material that Lloyd wrote.

John Weatherly

I do not want to get in the middle of the fight  between Gabriel and Lloyd.  I pleaded with these guys some time ago in an email to try and get along.  I am curious about the European study on Galileo and am hoping Gabriel will email me a copy when it is published.  I want to read the whole study and not just the abstract.  Sounds exciting.  Keep in mind though, hypertrophy of slow twitch fibers which Gabriel mentioned can be a detriment to power athletes in anaerobic sports or positions that need high levels of relative strength and power. 

John Weatherly

Really? That sounds very good. However, I understand there were an awful lot of posts removed from the message board over there. Is there any way they can be restored? Surely you don't require message board postings to "contain information that was as unbiased and as evidence based as possible"? After all, they are by definition just someone's opinion, and will be taken as such, by any reasonable person...

My role on vt.net is simple. I write articles based upon my experience as a physio and studio owner using vibration on a daily basis. I do this in an effort to encourage discussions on subjects other than which platform to buy. Since this is still the primary question that is posed however, I try to guide people based on whatever EVIDENCE is out there. There is no hidden agenda whatsoever. I have no role in any of the content that was added or removed during the redesign. It was redesigned to contain information that was as unbiased and as evidence based as possible. Perhaps the removal of this article was because it did not meet this criteria.     

Mike

Thankyou very much  I appreciate that offer ,I am 1.5 hours away but do come to Invercargill , I will get in contact next time Im down look forward to  meeting with you if it suits you...Im sure there is lots you can help me with.....just not sure what yet.

Pam

I am in Invercargill. If you are close by and need training in any way or have any questions you can contact me direct in the white pages under vibra train.

Any training would be for free.