Mike M.

Some suggestions.

 First one is stretching. Although vibration training does not cause cramping as weight lifting does, during static poses connective tissue inside muscles does not receive benefits from dynamic, especially eccentric exercises.  On occasion,  isometric exercises can cause local cramping, and painful knots, or "trigger points" as you call it. Slow, static stretching of your leg muscles can help.

Second, cardio workout. This is only way to increase the surface of your capillary network. Sometimes, when only anabolic stimuli is presented to the body, increasingly  bigger muscles can not reach enough nutrients from poor developed capillary network, and they reacts in the way of painful local knots. Your thyroid condition can be part of that problem.  15-20min. of cycling three times a week can be beneficial.  

Alternatively, your patellas can be misaligned, or your patelofemoral joints can have a cartilage problem, that can be caused by your  thyroid condition. Ether way, the pain can be localized in your knees, or in your quads. Some mobilization, or manipulation of patella, together with deep tissue massage can provide quick relieve.

Hope this helps

To Mike M...

you may be short of magnesium. Most everyone is and it can certainly make a difference workout wise if you are deficient.

vsp

Do your squats on a foam mat in socks. It recreates walking on sand and should fix the points that are overworking.

It will take a little force out of the vibration. But well worth it.   

It's a bit slow on here for a while now so I thought I'd share or start a discussion of a problem I'm having. Maybe others here have seen it or have it also, since I am noticing that my doing VT seems to stimulate it somewhat, to the point that I am currently having to slow down a bit on VT, cut back the sessions a bit, while the problem resolves. The problem is called trigger points; I like to call them muscle knots. I'll link an article that discusses them pretty well:

http://www.naturalchoice.net/articles/triggerpoint.htm

I don't think I am particularly deficient in any of the minerals listed; I have been tested and the lab tests came back pretty normal. The only thing listed that I believe may apply is a thyroid deficiency; I am hypothyroid but I take a daily hormone supplement for that. Of course, who knows if that is going to cover it.

What I have noticed over the years is that I tend to have them in the legs, especially in the quadriceps. They can be very sneaky and the resulting pains can be a good distance from the knot causing it. I can recall once having one in one of the smaller calf muscles which caused a pain in my heel. I went to doctors who were baffled. The muscle which I had to massage with a tennis ball was on the side of the calf. Once I located and massaged the knot, the problem resolved within a week.

Right now I am finding that the super squat irritates trigger points in my quads, specifically the vastus medialis, on both legs. I didn't realize it until I started being unable to complete a super squat and my legs seemed weaker, not stronger. What I'm doing is daily massages (several times daily) and delaying another session until they seem calmed down.

If anyone else here has any alternatives, I'm all ears.

Christmas is over and the New Year just ahead, so I’m going to wish all readers and contributors to this forum a very Happy Holiday season.

There are exciting times ahead as this industry moves forward.  The benefits of pure vibration training are immense – the results my customers have achieved this year are amazing.

Here’s a short article telling of some of the successes I’ve seen with customers this year

http://www.vibeplus.com/2011/12/31/vibration-training-success-stories/

I'm glad to find this forum. I'm very greatful for your help. There is so many products on the market... it is a nightmare to get it right. Expensive doesn't always mean good, usually you pay for company's name on it rather then product quality. And that's what I thought in this case. I guess I was wrong. Thank you again. I'll need to have a look around once more. 

Hi Sylvia

Occasionally you can pick up a BodyShaker Junior, steel,  on Ebay for about 1000 pounds.  They dont come up that often though for the reason being that they are good machines so people hang to them.  You could out in a saved search though., 

I read reviews on amazon from bslimmer and it looks good. I'm not sure what was people's weight who trained on it. 

All are low speed pivotal vibration machines. None actually work to the specs stated in the advertising. They are useful for improving circulation and possibly helping with relaxation and maintaining bone density, not much more for most people. You have low body weight so they might be okay as a starter machine but the ones you’ve listed wont help a lot with fat loss and fitness. Seriously, at that low price you can’t expect much. 

What machines do your friend’s use, maybe a studio or at a gym? I would only recommend the ones you listed for therapy (gentle stimulation) not for training. Possibly of  help to your husband but we’d need to know more about what’s wrong with him. Also his weight as those cheaply made machines don’t work at much above your own body weight. 

Note: you have called them PowerPlate - that is a brand name of a different machine.

Read some of the articles on this website and you’ll learn more

Start with this: http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/machine-reviews

and http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/weight-loss-resistance-training-vibration-training-for-woman

Hello. I was told by my friends to try vibration plates to get fit. I had a baby last year and now I have no time to go gym as I work full time and all I want to do after work is go home. I did some research on power plates and thinking of buying one, but I'm not sure if I should get crazy fit power plate, body train 2000 or 1500, or maybe bslimmer. All of them are on sale now for around 140 to 180 pounds in UK. 

I weight 55kg 160cm tall. I want to lose few more kilos, get ride of cellulite and toned my body, especially legs and bum.

Which one would be the best for me to purchase. My husband probably would use it for his back pain. thank you for help

Hello. I was told by my friends to try vibration plates to get fit. I had a baby last year and now I have no time to go gym as I work full time and all I want to do after work is go home. I did some research on power plates and thinking of buying one, but I'm not sure if I should get crazy fit power plate, body train 2000 or 1500, or maybe bslimmer. All of them are on sale now for around 140 to 180 pounds in UK. 

I weight 55kg 160cm tall. I want to lose few more kilos, get ride of cellulite and toned my body, especially legs and bum.

Which one would be the best for me to purchase. My husband probably would use it for his back pain. thank you for help

Quote : “I could not do my obesity work on Pivotal machines. Too many limitations around the persons extra size and mass. And I also believe the upper body work was as important as the legs.(  Hence the vibration handle bars. ) “

This is an example of using the right machine for the job – not in any way an attack on pivotal machines. 

I was really fortunate to trial Lloyd’s mixed pivotal/lineal machine a few years ago. It was based on the standard Vibra-Train machine design with vibrating handlebars and it had a cyclic pattern of vibration.  I begged him to put the design into production as it was amazing for me when I had serious injuries and it also was excellent for obese people – it took 300kg with no loss of force, totally safe to use supported by the handlebars and I felt less stress (it felt easier but very effective) but now I’ve been in the industry longer I understand how far advanced that design was. It was simply too far ahead.  People, even in the industry would not understand it. It’s enough for now that we clean up the whole industry and use the better, effective machines we have, both pivotal and lineal.  (Lloyd disassembled the cyclic machine – it’s gone)

Lloyd

A few comments:

 Vibration Training (on quality machines) is absolutely effective in the fight against obesity.  We need to be more proactive in getting that message out there.  I think that means company owners, studio managers and all of us working together to promote free or reduced price sessions for those who can’t afford it and publishing the results so that other people are encouraged to use the machines. It also means the customers who are morbidly obese (and their family or friends) actually keep training and don’t stuff us all around by coming for 5 or 6 sessions and then giving up because “they are too busy” or it’s too hard” or some other useless excuse. We can’t help those who won’t help themselves.

Fake specs and machines; yes we need to keep the fight against these.  Also I’m tired of hearing of gyms that have vibration machines that are okay (medium energy) but the personal trainers haven’t a clue how to use them and are too proud to be taught. This works against us all as the gym members become anti.

Moving on machines is really dumb in my opinion.  I know the vibration of low or medium machines (both pivotal and lineal) might accentuate regular exercise but, seriously, why bother having an expensive machine when a bit more of the regular exercise probably does the same thing.  It makes us appear like a fad, with unprovable results.  It even makes the research invalid in some edicated peoples eyes

Note: I do not think we should ever use extreme positive reactions to the machines as marketing. It is as bad as someone who hates Vibration Training using an extremely bad reaction as a warning no-one should use it. 

Rapid results that I have seen and had clients tell me about - after using a Vibra-Train in our studios.

1. After 10-12 sessions (a month) a 22 year old guy outgrew his “skins” (compression clothing) as his quads had grown so much.
2. Same guy asked me - does this training make me grow taller, because I have!
   

Note: He was young but he had by normally accepted age range already reached mature height. His ethnic group could account somewhat for his fast response to muscle training but - 3 to 4 weeks and he saw these changes! His other training was running (lots of it) which would have been thought to prevent or at least balance any resistance training.

1. A 16 year old guy (barely 16, I know this because I gave him a special intro price for first month due to his age and being a student, to encourage him) - On thursday when he came for his SECOND session, told me he was amazed as he was feeling alert and awake and stronger after just ONE session two days earlier.
   

I didn’t ask him any questions. He just said it - sounds like he got a dose of HGH or some other rapid response input in just ONE session. As a trainer I take these guys through the standard IVTRB program and I am very hard on them; I do not let them fail or stop any positions early, they do the full 60 seconds (2 minute squat at end if they can do it). 

Ongoing results: too early for the second guy. The first moved city after 3 months and hasn’t had access to machines. He visits when he can. 

Also my husband is a endurance athlete - runner. He looks like an older runner too - tall, skinny and drawn. His accident 6 months ago when training for a professional event has left him unable to run, at all!  He’s been doing Vibra-Train much more often and he’s commenting that it’s so good. He has grown chest and arm muscle for the first time ever and he’s feeling better overall. I’ve been ignoring his testimonial to Vibra-Train but he keeps on telling me. He’s walking a lot now and starting to run again, now to watch him lose what he’s gained.

Lloyd,

         So would it be safe to assume the more powerfull the machine is, under load of course then the more HGH would be released.

Also do we know if it was his own Nemes or a Galileo machine which produced these results for Dr.Bosco.

Lloyd,John,

Does anybody know the Frequency and amplitudeboth actual not suspected of the test.

Does anybody know how much HGH is released from the Safety program workout on a Vibra Train machine.

Mike,

The 10 sets of a min on and a min off were done in two subsets of 5 with I believe a 6 min rest.  So, 5 sets of a min on and off, rest 6 min, repeat.  It was a squat.  Nobody has replicated the large acute GH response.  And, to clarify, I believe in a post below I said it was on Galileo.  I need to go back and read Marco Cardinales dissertation abstract again but I think it was on NEMES.  One thing is for certain, it was not on Power Plate and Power Plate was promoting the hormonal stuff - for example see the old coreperformance.com links Lloyd provided a few posts below.  The Power Plate schills from Athletes Performance were quick to mention the hormonal stuff and refer people to the Power Plate site.  Additionally, Mark Verstegen, President and Founder of Athletes Performance, was mentioning years ago in Power Plate marketing material about anabolic hormone responses.  Problem is the large hormonal responses were not seen in studies on Power Plate.  Please note that did not stop Power Plate and people like Mark from hyping the hormone stuff though.

John T. Weatherly

Hey, about that disputed study, where people supposedly did 10 1-minute exercises on a platform in one session (with the huge HGH boosts, supposedly) - were they all squats? Or something else? A mix? Anyone else ever tried to replicate that result? Anyone here ever tried it?

Seems to me, 10 1-minute squats would kind of hurt a bit...

Are you saying you invented the term vibration training