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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2012-02-24 13:09:34
We have been seeing this for years on the street.......
Kind of strange considering basically every single exercise expert " re fake expert"  went public when we first released Vibration Training  saying it cant help athletes. 
I have a list of unambiguous statements next to the names of these clowns, that will be released once everything is beyond any doubt. I think it is important for every Vibration Trainer to know the fight we had to endure to get this technology out there. It will make them appreciate it even more.
And hopefully put a few load mouthed academics in their place at the same time.    
John Posted On:2012-02-23 17:06:01

Recent study out of Taiwan published in JSCR that showed improved running economy with WBV program - at least in the short-term.  I think the study was 8 weeks long.  Go to, click on PubMed, and type in "vibration training" as search words and the abstract should be there to read.

John T. Weatherly

Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2012-02-23 11:36:04
Go to EBay ( look under vibration machines )  or another similar site. Get a Low Speed Pivotal  with handle bars. Should only cost you $500 including delivery . 
Do not buy it if it claims anything above 17hz.  As that kind of dishonesty will also mean the warranty probably wont be any good either.  
Writing on this forum....
Yes always copy and paste. The forum is set up to make it difficult for hackers to get into. Sorry about that. 
Di Heap/VibePlus Posted On:2012-02-23 08:25:13

Hi Lori

The easiest way to write on this forum is to use a Word program or your email program. Then copy and paste over into this forum.  The forum is designed to prevent lots of spam and advertising that similar sites get.

I’m not sure where you live but I’m guessing somewhere in Canada.  For therapy you can use less expensive machines but you really need to try before you buy (Some low quality machines make me feel quite “seasick”).  I’d recommend one with some sort of handlebars for support and stability for your body. 

You said you have arthritis and pins in your feet yet you hope to return to dancing (I hope you mean gentle movement, not bouncing) – to me this suggests a lineal/upright vibration machine would be a good choice and using the IVTRB Safety Program .  Or a low speed pivotal machine will help with blood circulation and mobility (a good start).

Have you read the articles on this website? Do you know the different types of machines especially the difference between lineal/upright and pivotal/see-saw motion?  I’ll say it again – Try Before You Buy.  For the price you want to pay I suggest you look for a re-sale machine.

Lori Posted On:2012-02-23 03:53:56

Blah, I wrote out a long comment and then asked for a new code as i could not see the first one properly, and it refreshed the page and I lost everything I wrote. I also noticed that punctuation marks do not come out in this comment box, like hyphens and apostrophes and parenthesis. I keep writing my way around using them, which makes my posts fairly long.

Anyway, thank you for asking the question on the Daily Deal site, but I could have told you they would delete that type of question. Previously, on this or another site that had a deal for an Android tablet, I commented that the company selling it was not reputable and linked to a site where many people had given it very bad reviews. They had either not received their purchases or it had come broken or the wrong one, etc. My comment was deleted there, too, and i was told in email that even if I had a bad experience with the company, which I hadnt, I was not allowed to post about it there. I ended up messaging anyone who had asked a question about the tablet, if they had posted from their FB acct. and linked them to the review site. I never heard back from anyone, no thank yous, so I guess people were more interested in saving money than getting a good product.

I am still very interested in one of these machines and so if you or anyone reading this has a recommendation for a model similarly priced, that they got good results from, primarily for therapy and anything else is a bonus, esp. energy boost, then please let me know. i can be messaged at my FB acct which is

Thanks, Lori

Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2012-02-22 14:22:34
Well Lori...
They will not answer the question regarding honest specs. And instead get them deleted.
What does that tell you.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2012-02-21 19:31:55
I have just put up a question regarding the companies honesty ( under my real name ) . Because no matter how good the deal is, you do not want to buy a machine off a dishonest company.
Wait to see their reply. 
Lori Posted On:2012-02-21 14:42:25



First off, thank you so much for all the valuable info you provide, here. It is a little overwhelming but I have learned quite a lot in reading today. I would like to ask you if you think the offer, below, is a good deal price wise or if you would recommend something similar at a better cost or something totally different. Please note that I do not have a large amount to spend...probably 500 is my limit. 

Ideally, I would love to have a unit that could assist me in a fitness routine and toning, but my primary need right now is therapy. I am 52 and am in physical pain, literally all over my body 24 hours, 7 days a week. My doctor has said I have arthtirits "everywhere" but not what type. I feel absolutely worse with physical activity, which suggests osteo arthritis. I used to be a dancer, till almost 40 years old, and all the bouncing, often on very bad surfaces, caused me a lot of joint pain. As well, in 2007 I fell and broke my right ankle, the long bone under my right side of that foot and the bone on my left foot, under my little toe. I did not have surgery for 4 months, which entailed putting 2 pins in my right foot, and in total, before and after, I spent 7 months in a wheelchair as my bones would not heal at all. Since then, I have not had a day where my feet and ankles do not hurt when I walk and sometimes even sitting. My neck, shoulders, upper arms, hips and lower back are also in constant pain and I have insomnia from this, as well as from menopause. 

So, I would like to know if this unit will help or am I wasting my money and if it does help me feel better physically, that I could also use it for some poses like you show on your site. I love walking and dancing and would use those for cardio, if I can just get my body feeling well, again. Thanks so much for any help you can give me and I look forward to your reply. Here is the site with the deal and the question and answer page, where the company selling the unit has answered some questions. I would like to know how honest these answers are.


Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2012-02-20 15:18:35
You may want to know that TurboSonic claim that just by giggling the muscle at certain Fqs you can gain all the benefits of real Vibration Training.  ( this happens to different muscle groups naturally through a resonance factor, if you are lock legged ).  No stress poses needed.
They told sick people this. 
No words to describe how wrong that is.
Denun Posted On:2012-02-20 13:31:12

Thx Lloyd,

 i was sorry because i was afraid to be unpolite to ask of other brands, so thank you very much for your answer.

for sure i should learn english a little bit more  P


Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2012-02-20 12:54:04
The TurboSonic is really only a Physio unit due to its lack of power. The best bet you have to get results from such a unit is run at approx 38 -- 45 hz and stick to my program like glue.
Note: " There is not 'secret" magic Fq or amplitude. It is all marketing hyperbole. 
Special note: No one can ever privately own a Vibra-Train unit. So I was not going to try and sell you one. 
Denun Posted On:2012-02-19 22:39:35

Lloyd thanks for your site, i read every page and its really helpful.

Few weeks ago I bought one of those lineal machine, a used one honestly, thats called turbosonic ovation.

A thing that i really dont understand is that they published on turbosonicusa site a list of frequencies where the instruments registered the maximum amount of EMGRMS. Looking at that table seems that the best results are using frequencies between 8 to 11hz, what do you think about



Another thing is, do you think that if i follow your excercise on this machine, sorry i cant buy another one even if the vibratrain si better, can i get some results    and in case what frequencies and for how long do you think i have to held the pose

Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2012-02-18 10:06:10
Being a newbee then it is VERY important you read this review section carefully and digest the info there. Then no matter what you buy. You will then be educated enough to make a better decision.
Eg  question .....  What category do you think the Vibrodisc falls into ?  
Then read this.....
So "some" results "may be" achieved from most units depending on how you use it. If all the pieces do not fit, you could waste your time and money.
Jo Posted On:2012-02-18 06:27:49

Hi, The vibration machines are new to me and i would like to be able to use one at home daily im my own time. I was thinking about buying a VIBRODISC. Are these any good are they affective for toning and to shift cellulite or am I throwing my money away. If they are no good, what is the est home machine not to expensive to buy, but still effective.

Many thanks Jo

Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2012-02-17 16:15:03
This is a real example of what a marketer will do to your business if left to their own devices...
Exact wording proposed to Vibra-Train to run a daily deal advert.....
" Dinosaurs used to rule the planet, but those losers were taken out by what?
 A couple of cloudy days? Pfft! You could definitely take on a T-Rex or two,
 especially with the help of today's supercharged deal ........"
I got on the phone and completely lambasted the idiot who signed this off. With a comment something along the lines of " a 5 year old could have come up with something better, and whoever came up with this trollop  should go back to watching Jersey Shore. Because that's about the limit to their IQ."
They admitted not even knowing what we did, or even spending 2 mins reading our website first.
Seriously, seriously LAZY.  And the kind of practice that has helped make our industry into a joke in some parts of the world. 
Note: It took them 10 mins to come back with something far more suitable.    
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2012-02-16 19:28:08
Vibration Training explanation for Personal Trainers ....
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2012-02-16 19:02:36
I have been offered second hand ones already. 
No I would not be tempted.
Such a pity what HyperGravity did to their reputation. A fall from grace no-one could have predicted.   
Mike M. Posted On:2012-02-16 13:03:33

So if you saw a used but working HyperGravity on the market, you wouldn't be tempted?

Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2012-02-14 21:51:05
Mike M...
US based replicas of the European design. HyperGravity tried. And they broke ( apart from other issues a bit too complex for this forum )  .
Wish I could say otherwise.
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2012-02-14 21:47:09
Mike M...
Yes that is correct.
The steel box design has very particular physics attached to it. Even Vibro-Gyms new Evolution does not manage to replicate the energy reading on the older VibroGym Pro. ( And trust me they tried very hard )
That is why TrueVibe copied the design almost exactly for their "new" machine.
I think Wave is a good choice if ALL the factors on a purchase are considered.       
Mike M. Posted On:2012-02-14 18:18:59

So what you are saying is that none of the machines available in the US compare to those listed which are pretty much just European models not available (at least not at reasonable cost) in the US? None of the Waves even the high end Pro Elite compares to the Body Shaker or Vibrogym? The Contour Plus is also stainless steel - not sure about the web stiffening? It does have a thin rubber mat built in that I imagine damps the vibrations a bit. Should I remove the mat?
(I've been following the IVTRB program strictly since I'd guess October or early November. Ever since I sent you the video, Di. I've just cut back while trying to handle the TP problem. And I'm now using the blue mat also to try to prevent a repeat.)

Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2012-02-14 17:17:25
To clarify " the machines uses " comment. Ask your teenagers what body parts they want to "build" .  eg... Chest , arms , legs ?  Get them to do a squat for legs of course, then a push-up pose for chest. Lineal and Pivotal feel quite different in these poses. 
Really important they do not just try one pose as no one pose will train the whole body.        
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2012-02-14 15:48:28

Please note:  All the power and speed in the world is useless without control. Make sure your teens understand this.

Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2012-02-14 15:46:13
Because so many people are going to be using it for different reasons. I would really suggest a try-before-you- buy policy for everyone involved.
It is a significant purchase and it is no good getting something then finding out later they don't like using it.
The 3 in 1 unit you mention. Way too weak for the teens and yourself, no matter what mode it is in.  
Lysanne Posted On:2012-02-14 15:19:56


I have not tried the Powervibe models but if I refer to the section on machine reviews, the shape of their machines fit more with the low speed pivotal / lineal, hence my comment. I know the Hypervibe is considered High speed for the pivotal. I am very confused on which of the 2 is best for our family since we have different needs.  this is also why I was inquiring about the 3 in 1 such as VMax Trio or VT400. I'd appreciate any input on this subject. I just don't want to get the wrong machine at this point and where I live there is virtually no VT. I will be trying the Hypervibe Performance shortly and am really looking foward to it but wanted to get the feel for a lineal machine also. Thanks.

Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2012-02-14 14:25:46
Just curious because of this comment....  " but I am unsure of the quality of their machines as they look to me more like the Chinese imports."
Where are HyperVibe made ? 
Lysanne Posted On:2012-02-14 10:19:09

Di Heap,

Thanks for all your advices. I haven't tried any lineal yet but will try to. I am in an area where there is very little or none vibration training. There are some machine in hospital which you cannot get access to and are more used for therapeutic usage. Though, I have contacted the rep. for Hypervibe and I can try it in Ottawa which is 1.5 hr drive from Montreal. Would this machine, which is pivotal be a good choice for my family ...question mark.. I was also told I could try a PowerVibe in my area. They have both pivotal and lineal models but I am unsure of the quality of their machines as they look to me more like the Chinese imports. Have you heard of them..

Thanks again.


Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2012-02-13 20:56:10
The VibroGym Pro is a web stiffened stainless steel unit that transfers practically 100% of  the motors power to an individual.
The only directly comparable retail units are...
Body Shaker
FitVibe Medical ( only second hand units available )
Franco Ferroni Posted On:2012-02-13 16:51:57

Thanks Di, you preceeded me while I was still typing my answer :) 

Franco Ferroni Posted On:2012-02-13 13:45:23

Mike M.


I have never tried the Wave Contour Plus, so I must turn your question to Lloyd as he knows both machines very well and can give you a better feedback than me. About my workout, I kept strict poses through all the safety program and alternated low and high amplitude. A few times I repeated the program when I felt I needed it, but most of the times one round is good enough for me. It is incredible to notice that after the quite long period of constant training, now I get challenged even using the lowest frequencies even in low amplitude. The explosiveness that I gained is evident when I jump, because now I can do it quicker and stay longer in the air.   

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