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Will Posted On:2011-11-11 23:22:24

Hey guys ... No  I have reworded my Services advert to state that it is not a commercial grade Vibration Trainer but it is going to be used in order to make normal workouts harder and to be used for balance and rehab work.

It really makes the amrs and legs work hard on the high speed settings though.  WOWwhat a difference  Ican do 100150 pushups and managed a sset fo 40 on the highest speed setting today maximum.

I like the machine and have already had 2 clients use it and they both loved it.  We exercised on it using the push ups and the squats and Idemonstrated pistol squats on it as well.  Would love to be able to afford to come up to Auckland and also love to be bale to buy a PROPERmachine but in the mean time this will serve my clients well enough for the training they are doing.

 
Di Heap/VibePlus Posted On:2011-11-11 16:26:20

Mike M

You asked “Anyone ever do more than one 2-minute Super Squat in a given workout?”

Some people do 2 minutes of some of the IVTRB Safety Program or do the advanced program, only possible on a machine with side vibrating handlebars, so extra Super Squats are rare.

But, you can do more on your machine if you are mastering the program well.  

Just so you know – Lloyd Shaw does ONLY the 10 minute program seen in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PikfQv7uwwo

He trains smart.

 
Di Heap/VibePlus Posted On:2011-11-11 14:42:50

Mike M

My husband can do a 5 minute SuperSquat on a level 3 machine – perfect form.

DO NOT TRY IT!

He is a distance runner. He has strong legs and a slim body.  He has no mass to be holding up. He’s been doing vibration for 5 years (not always regularly).  He’s done the 5 minute squat about 5 or 6 times and he literally crawls off the machine and sits down for half an hour after.  I’ve told him not to try it again – there is cardio stress when you go that hard and he’s over 50. It’s not really smart.

FORM IS WAY MORE IMPORTANT THAN HOW LONG YOU CAN DO ANY POSITION

We all want to go harder but poor form means 40 – 50 incorrect movements per second – that’s not going to help anyone gain muscle strength. There is ZERO room for error when you go really hard out on a vibration machine.  Perfect your form, Perfect Position, Feet perfectly flat, hip (bones) width apart, 110 degree back of knee angle and maintain that.  The general rule is that if you haven’t corrected in the last 10 seconds you are out of position.

 
Di Heap/VibePlus Posted On:2011-11-11 14:23:28

William/MT

You have been invited multiple times to visit Vibra-Train Head Office and Studio when you’ve come to Auckland.  You’ve been invited to try out a real high energy Vibration Machine but for whatever reason you haven’t come in.

Now you buy the biggest massager in the world - Please don’t pass it off as Vibration Training because it absolutely is not!

You can use it for some clients for balance, proprioception, circulation increase, etc – not for anyone above 80Kg (max) as it loses what little force it has at that weight.  

Next time you get to Auckland (are you coming up for GetNZActive conference at end of Nov?) come into the studio. We can show you how to do the program and give you resources.  We’ve talked before on forums so I’m disappointed you’ve made such a poor choice of machine – that is unless you deliberately bought it for massage and therapy work, not for training. Lloyd has replied to you, not realising who you are. Now he says – get in here and try a real machine!

 
Mike M. Posted On:2011-11-11 13:59:26

Hey Mike Hair

You anticipate my next question! Which was, has anyone ever done much of anything longer than the 2 minutes that the Super Squat takes.

So my next question is, anyone ever do the Super Squat for longer than the 2 minutes? If so then for how long? Anyone ever do more than one 2-minute Super Squat in a given workout?

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2011-11-11 13:11:01
William..
 
My biggest concern is you might tell people that is Vibration Training ( as in what we do in the studios ) giving them a bad impression of the industry.
 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2011-11-11 12:59:26
William..
 
Answered you the best I could via email, with my recommended poses word for word. Sorry have no idea where to get a booklet from. 
 
The machine will probably not work for long under any kind of stress. Either weight or lots of people. So be prepared to replace it at some time with a better quality unit if you wish to do this.
 
We will be able to better advise you on that move. 
 
Mike Hair Posted On:2011-11-11 12:58:10

Not being a skite or anything......my best is a 3 minute full body pushup on a force 5 VibraTrain.

Would not recomend it to anyone it fricken hurts. Couldnt do it now, as everytime i work out it gets harder and harder.

Used to do 1 minute 55 second full body tricep dip now i struggle doing 1 minute, just proves the more muscle mass you have the harder it is.

Love the VibraTrain machines

 
MikeP Posted On:2011-11-11 04:20:03

MikeM

I am not the pro on anything. Haha... Lloyd would be that guy. I have just been following what he says. As far as adding weight or using the Kettlebells on the machine, I dont use any weight. I feel like if I hold the positions correctly I get the work in.

 
Di Heap/VibePlus Posted On:2011-11-10 22:30:41

William / MT

Your machine is NOT a training platform. It is useful for gentle stimulation, circulation,  can help increase bone density with long term use.  Is this what you bought it for? Also, It won't cope with the weight of most NZers.

If you wanted a serious muscle building, training machine you bought a dud, mate. Should have asked us first.

Check it out here,

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/machine-reviews

 

At least you didn't pay much for the VT-96 - Best give it away to an old Granny client. Oh, Have you tried it out yourself yet?  

 
William Posted On:2011-11-10 21:17:55

Hey Lloydshaw it's MThere from Trade Me Message Boards  contact me  I have bought a Vib Trainer and need some advice mate so can use it with my clients the best way possible  also need an instruction manual for it  VT96 American Fitness model

 
Sheryl Posted On:2011-11-10 04:19:04

Patty, We have not heard any updates on your WAVE machine fix.  Does that mean you are busy training on a now repaired machine... 

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2011-11-09 18:02:54
I personally do not use added weight, as I am in the middle of a 10 year experiment to see what just using my own mass on different level machines can do.
 
I only advise people trying added weights, no matter what that is, to be safe than sorry.   
 
Mike M. Posted On:2011-11-09 17:24:34

Hey, this is really cool. Now we have two guys in here, Lloyd and MikeP, that the casual VT user might view as hard core. And from the sound of it, experienced and successful at it. Prepare to have your brains picked.

Have either of you experimented with using weights along with (during) VT, such as a weight vest, or perhaps holding dumbells or kettlebells while doing poses? Do you thing it a worthwhile addition or is it a waste of time?

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2011-11-09 11:54:39
I can do a 2 minute push up ( just ) on a level 2.  ( 3mm 43 hz )
 
But forget the level 5 ( 0.7mm 43hz )
 
MikeP Posted On:2011-11-09 05:35:02

Mike M

I usually do it on the plank, push up and tricep hold. I am sure if I were on one of Lloyds machines that may be a little different. For me it does not hurt my shoulder and I feel like I still make gains without lifting weights. I still do pull ups and occasional deadlifts but thats about it.

 
Keith Posted On:2011-11-09 05:24:52

Di, Now you tell me I could have rested between minute 1 and minute 2 of the superman........ All those tears and frustation in the early days.......... I think I need to give some thought to replacing my mat which is made out of some sort of foam. Any suggestions on the replacement.  Have you finished celebrating the all Black win yet.

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2011-11-08 19:02:20
I have done the 2 minute push-up several times. But really it is just too punishing on my machines.
 
I end up almost in tears rolling around on the floor in a fetal position waiting for my arms to work again. 
 
I personally think it is just pushing to too far.
 
Di Heap/VibePlus Posted On:2011-11-08 18:03:36

Mastering the Standard Program is the first aim – never move to advanced work until you can do the poses precisely – perfect position – from the very start to the very end of the 60 seconds.

Then increase the Super Squat to two minutes.  You do this by decreasing the rest time between Super Squat number 1 and Super Squat number 2 until there is no rest time at all; just turn the machine back on. Then put them together – 2 minutes Super Squat.

When that is mastered and not moving too quickly – form is the most important factor – you can do two minutes of Pose 1 Basic Squat, Pose 3 Wide Stance Squat.  Then the pelvic stability/plank and tricep dip. The stretch position is left at 60 seconds, there’s no real gain by increasing it.

Advance from the Mini Push-Up (on knees) to the Full Push-Up whenever you are ready but it’s rare to attempt  2 minutes  - this might depend on the force of the machine you are using, on some it will be easier than others.

 
Mike M. Posted On:2011-11-08 13:40:00

MikeP

Really? Which ones do you go two minutes on? I know about the Super Squat; which others?

I know I've seen it said here that a two minute pushup is a bad idea...

 
MikeP Posted On:2011-11-08 11:42:28

Lloyd

I could not agree more. It is sad when a simple thing like customer service is neglected.

Mike M

I follow Lloyds work out. I also do Kettle Bells and some TRX. But really the only constant is Mon,Wed,Fri Wave. I had shoulder surgery last year and Vibration training has allowed me to stay in great shape. I went from around 230 and freaky looking to 205 and feel much better. I do go a little longer though, I try and do 2 minutes at a time. I know on certain exercises that may be impossible.

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2011-11-07 22:12:44
Yes funny when an "industry leaders"  studios half way around the world are following our program word for word. For the exact reason described in the article. The retail company had rubbished our work for years, but their customers are choosing to follow our advice instead.
 
If I only had a dollar for every time that had happened.  
 
Di Heap/VibePlus Posted On:2011-11-07 16:41:46

As the head trainer in a very busy studio I am totally in awe of the Vibra-Train Safety Program (www.vibratrainlease.com/poster.html)

It’s Springtime in New Zealand and we have new customers joining up every day.  I know the program is great, I’ve taught it for years but I am astounded at the number of people we can put through the studio in just 15 minutes (including short rests between positions). 

It’s a totally walk in studio so each person begins their program at a different time, we don’t run classes; everyone is doing a different pose – one trainer on the floor – 10 machines.

Here’s the Step by Step Instructions:  (www.vibratrainlease.com/safety-workout-explained.html)

This program is being used in all Vibra-train studios and many other brands of studios worldwide.

 
Mike M. Posted On:2011-11-05 12:05:39

MikeP

What is a typical workout for you on your Wave?

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2011-11-05 11:31:30
MikeP .. 
 
  As an engineer I know things happen with moving machinery. Especially if it vibrates. We only got a bit negative over WAVE with the lack luster after sales service. Which brings the referral system we do here into disrepute.
 
 For me what I see at present is a massive lack of respect for the sales we send some companies way. Sure they love taking the check and cashing it quickly but seem to not appreciate it comes with a certain expectation. If they do not want to live up to that expectation, turn down the referral ( they always know where it comes from ) . Simple really.
 
But how many sales based mindset people have what it takes to do that ?
    
 
This lack of respect and understanding of the process shows a mindset I have seen before and it did not bode well for anyone in the past. 
 
 
The reason it is so important......  It gives small quality based companies a chance to compete against companies like Power Plate and Vibra-Slim that put 90% of their revenue into non deserved self promotion ( Eg We are the industry standard, #1 etc... )  which is hard to fight. So reputation becomes your best chance to compete. But reputation is based on two way communication.
 
What we offer is any company out there a chance to build up an online reputation that can, and will I believe, eventually out compete non deserved self promotion.
 
Eg...  If I released a home machine tomorrow. I am pretty sure they would not be hard to sell. Non of that is based on my marketing.         
 
Note: Every company has problems, any that tell you otherwise if full of it. The question is, how fast was any issue fixed up. Companies should also make sure anyone representing them actually use the equipment 3 times a week as recommended.  And they should read the forum the referrals are coming from. Anything else is just plain lazy right ?               
 
MikeP Posted On:2011-11-05 05:46:40

I see all of the negative attention that the Wave is getting. I have had mine for 6 months now and no problems at all. I love it. I just think that sometimes things happen. I love the platform and will continue using it. I have not been to the gym in 6 months and decided to test the theory. I wanted to see if I lost anything in my squat. I know this is not reccomended but hey  I had too. Haha... So I ended up easily hitting 405 for 8 reps. I felt more stable than ever and very strong. I am a believer in this technology. You just have to be consistant with it and not use it as a coat rack. Just an FYI... I emailed Jasper a few days ago and got a response in 24 hours. So far I am impressed with the product. I do agree with Lloyd in that an LCD screen is not always a good idea. Looks great but the only looks I am worried about is on my body.

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2011-11-04 15:55:55

I have been strictly following my own program for 5 over years now. And the changes my body has gone through were, even though predicted by me in the beginning ( theory usually being different than practical ), have been surprisingly effective. Especially directly compared to my mates who are still gym fanatics.

 
Mike M. Posted On:2011-11-03 07:12:20

Di, Patty, Lloyd et al

Just a note to say I took Di's advice and started a 3 week program doing the IVTRB program pretty much straight up. That's not to say I haven't done a bit of experimenting though. Today marks the 8th session since I began and I've kept tabs on it with a little note file I'm keeping on the computer so I can keep track of what level, frequency, etc I've used on what days and my other activities, and also my overall level of energy because I don't want to overdo the other stuff. I've noticed that if I do too much other stuff too close together, the VT just becomes really difficult, and I wanted to give it an honest good trial for the 3 weeks period.

My little experiment has involved some (minimal) use of the weight vest, in a mode of just to see if I can do this and does it seem to have an effect. Today only I wore the vest loaded with 25# but only for the upper body poses. To my surprise I was able to complete the full 60 seconds on each with the vest. Not long ago I struggled to do that with no vest. So progress is being made there. The squat poses were also done but no added weight on those. I am finding the Super Squat plenty difficult without added weight here lately. The main difference I noted using the vest was, it was a bit harder and I actually broke a sweat doing those upper body poses (usually I do not), so it does have an effect.

Since I have kept notes I have been switching from levels as low as 5 (39 Hz) to as high as 10 (50 Hz) or anywhere in between. Not sure I can tell a whole lot of difference there, to be honest. Seems to depend on how recently I did something else much more than the frequency.

My schedule basically centers around 2 2-hour sessions per week of pickup basketball. Those are tough and I don't do anything else on those days. The exception might be the Sunday session - it's early afternoon and if I feel up to it I might do VT that evening. Otherwise, I am also walking 3-5 miles a day wearing that 25# (just up from 20#) vest.

Since I started this I have found my stamina and energy are increasing, along with overall strength. I like this program!

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2011-11-02 21:04:57
Well as predicted good quality platforms are going up in price, not down.......  http://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/exercise-equipment-weights/exercise-machines/vibration-machines/auction-419306493.htm
 
The new Fit-Vibe , which is a good unit but definitely not "the best" is going up to 20K + Tax in NZ soon. 
 
Mike M. Posted On:2011-11-01 23:11:14


Well wow...

It might have saved time if they'd sent more than one part the first time, and just let the guy keep swapping till it fixed it, then send everything back.

I hope this is not representative of what might happen if my machine breaks too. Knock on wood.

 
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