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Denun Posted On:2012-02-20 13:31:12

Thx Lloyd,

 i was sorry because i was afraid to be unpolite to ask of other brands, so thank you very much for your answer.

for sure i should learn english a little bit more  P

bye

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2012-02-20 12:54:04
Denun
 
The TurboSonic is really only a Physio unit due to its lack of power. The best bet you have to get results from such a unit is run at approx 38 -- 45 hz and stick to my program like glue.
 
Note: " There is not 'secret" magic Fq or amplitude. It is all marketing hyperbole. 
 
 
Special note: No one can ever privately own a Vibra-Train unit. So I was not going to try and sell you one. 
 
Denun Posted On:2012-02-19 22:39:35

Lloyd thanks for your site, i read every page and its really helpful.

Few weeks ago I bought one of those lineal machine, a used one honestly, thats called turbosonic ovation.

A thing that i really dont understand is that they published on turbosonicusa site a list of frequencies where the instruments registered the maximum amount of EMGRMS. Looking at that table seems that the best results are using frequencies between 8 to 11hz, what do you think about

 

 

Another thing is, do you think that if i follow your excercise on this machine, sorry i cant buy another one even if the vibratrain si better, can i get some results    and in case what frequencies and for how long do you think i have to held the pose

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2012-02-18 10:06:10
Jo...
 
Being a newbee then it is VERY important you read this review section carefully and digest the info there. Then no matter what you buy. You will then be educated enough to make a better decision.
 
 
 
Eg  question .....  What category do you think the Vibrodisc falls into ?  
 
Then read this.....
 
 
 
So "some" results "may be" achieved from most units depending on how you use it. If all the pieces do not fit, you could waste your time and money.
 
Jo Posted On:2012-02-18 06:27:49

Hi, The vibration machines are new to me and i would like to be able to use one at home daily im my own time. I was thinking about buying a VIBRODISC. Are these any good are they affective for toning and to shift cellulite or am I throwing my money away. If they are no good, what is the est home machine not to expensive to buy, but still effective.

Many thanks Jo

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2012-02-17 16:15:03
Warning......
 
This is a real example of what a marketer will do to your business if left to their own devices...
 
 
Exact wording proposed to Vibra-Train to run a daily deal advert.....
 
 
" Dinosaurs used to rule the planet, but those losers were taken out by what?
 A couple of cloudy days? Pfft! You could definitely take on a T-Rex or two,
 especially with the help of today's supercharged deal ........"
 
 
I got on the phone and completely lambasted the idiot who signed this off. With a comment something along the lines of " a 5 year old could have come up with something better, and whoever came up with this trollop  should go back to watching Jersey Shore. Because that's about the limit to their IQ."
 
They admitted not even knowing what we did, or even spending 2 mins reading our website first.
 
Seriously, seriously LAZY.  And the kind of practice that has helped make our industry into a joke in some parts of the world. 
 
 
 
Note: It took them 10 mins to come back with something far more suitable.    
 
 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2012-02-16 19:28:08
Vibration Training explanation for Personal Trainers ....
 
 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2012-02-16 19:02:36
I have been offered second hand ones already. 
 
No I would not be tempted.
 
Such a pity what HyperGravity did to their reputation. A fall from grace no-one could have predicted.   
 
Mike M. Posted On:2012-02-16 13:03:33

So if you saw a used but working HyperGravity on the market, you wouldn't be tempted?

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2012-02-14 21:51:05
Mike M...
 
US based replicas of the European design. HyperGravity tried. And they broke ( apart from other issues a bit too complex for this forum )  .
 
Wish I could say otherwise.
 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2012-02-14 21:47:09
Mike M...
 
Yes that is correct.
 
The steel box design has very particular physics attached to it. Even Vibro-Gyms new Evolution does not manage to replicate the energy reading on the older VibroGym Pro. ( And trust me they tried very hard )
 
That is why TrueVibe copied the design almost exactly for their "new" machine.
 
I think Wave is a good choice if ALL the factors on a purchase are considered.       
 
Mike M. Posted On:2012-02-14 18:18:59


So what you are saying is that none of the machines available in the US compare to those listed which are pretty much just European models not available (at least not at reasonable cost) in the US? None of the Waves even the high end Pro Elite compares to the Body Shaker or Vibrogym? The Contour Plus is also stainless steel - not sure about the web stiffening? It does have a thin rubber mat built in that I imagine damps the vibrations a bit. Should I remove the mat?
(I've been following the IVTRB program strictly since I'd guess October or early November. Ever since I sent you the video, Di. I've just cut back while trying to handle the TP problem. And I'm now using the blue mat also to try to prevent a repeat.)

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2012-02-14 17:17:25
Lysanne 
 
To clarify " the machines uses " comment. Ask your teenagers what body parts they want to "build" .  eg... Chest , arms , legs ?  Get them to do a squat for legs of course, then a push-up pose for chest. Lineal and Pivotal feel quite different in these poses. 
 
Really important they do not just try one pose as no one pose will train the whole body.        
 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2012-02-14 15:48:28

Please note:  All the power and speed in the world is useless without control. Make sure your teens understand this.

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2012-02-14 15:46:13
Because so many people are going to be using it for different reasons. I would really suggest a try-before-you- buy policy for everyone involved.
 
It is a significant purchase and it is no good getting something then finding out later they don't like using it.
 
The 3 in 1 unit you mention. Way too weak for the teens and yourself, no matter what mode it is in.  
 
Lysanne Posted On:2012-02-14 15:19:56

Lloyd,

I have not tried the Powervibe models but if I refer to the section on machine reviews, the shape of their machines fit more with the low speed pivotal / lineal, hence my comment. I know the Hypervibe is considered High speed for the pivotal. I am very confused on which of the 2 is best for our family since we have different needs.  this is also why I was inquiring about the 3 in 1 such as VMax Trio or VT400. I'd appreciate any input on this subject. I just don't want to get the wrong machine at this point and where I live there is virtually no VT. I will be trying the Hypervibe Performance shortly and am really looking foward to it but wanted to get the feel for a lineal machine also. Thanks.

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2012-02-14 14:25:46
Lysanne
 
Just curious because of this comment....  " but I am unsure of the quality of their machines as they look to me more like the Chinese imports."
 
Where are HyperVibe made ? 
 
Lysanne Posted On:2012-02-14 10:19:09

Di Heap,

Thanks for all your advices. I haven't tried any lineal yet but will try to. I am in an area where there is very little or none vibration training. There are some machine in hospital which you cannot get access to and are more used for therapeutic usage. Though, I have contacted the rep. for Hypervibe and I can try it in Ottawa which is 1.5 hr drive from Montreal. Would this machine, which is pivotal be a good choice for my family ...question mark.. I was also told I could try a PowerVibe in my area. They have both pivotal and lineal models but I am unsure of the quality of their machines as they look to me more like the Chinese imports. Have you heard of them..

Thanks again.

 

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2012-02-13 20:56:10
The VibroGym Pro is a web stiffened stainless steel unit that transfers practically 100% of  the motors power to an individual.
 
The only directly comparable retail units are...
 
Body Shaker
TrueVibe
FitVibe Medical ( only second hand units available )
Body-Coach
 
Franco Ferroni Posted On:2012-02-13 16:51:57

Thanks Di, you preceeded me while I was still typing my answer :) 

 
Franco Ferroni Posted On:2012-02-13 13:45:23

Mike M.

 

I have never tried the Wave Contour Plus, so I must turn your question to Lloyd as he knows both machines very well and can give you a better feedback than me. About my workout, I kept strict poses through all the safety program and alternated low and high amplitude. A few times I repeated the program when I felt I needed it, but most of the times one round is good enough for me. It is incredible to notice that after the quite long period of constant training, now I get challenged even using the lowest frequencies even in low amplitude. The explosiveness that I gained is evident when I jump, because now I can do it quicker and stay longer in the air.   

 
Di Heap/VibePlus Posted On:2012-02-13 13:32:50

Mike M

Any Vibration of the handlebars is transferred incidentally from the platform, it’s not deliberate like a Vibra-Train (the only machine in the world with side vibrating handlebars).

The VibroGym Professional is a higher energy platform than the Wave Contour Plus. But, what program are you using? Is it the IVTRB Safety Program or have you mixed it up with other poses? And are you consistent with your training and particular about “perfect position”?

 
Di Heap/VibePlus Posted On:2012-02-13 12:59:34

Hi Lysanne

Have you tried a Lineal (upright) vibration machine?  - See if you can find a PowerPlate, VibroGym, BodyGreen, TrueVibe or similar (especially as you used to teach PhysEd  you’ll understand  the difference in pivotal and lineal machines).  Also trial a HyperVibe Pivotal machine if you can.

Only then can you decide which type you prefer and we can better advise you.

Your husband has a bad lower back? Anything specific wrong with it? He’s out of shape – is he overweight?  This also determines what machine you can buy as many machines seriously degrade in performance over 175lbs /80Kg (some at much less )

When you trial machines get them to write down the specs of the machine, ask yourself when you try it if they seem correct – your body doesn’t lie.  Also take your husband, it’s important he tries them too and that he is shown safe positions.

For your teens to build muscle strength you need a machine that has some real force. They’d be best with a lineal platform (VibroGym Professional or TrueVibe), in my opinion but your husband might be better with a pivotal machine.  We can help you with the program once you’ve decided on a machine.

Come back with any more questions when you are ready so we can make a shortlist

 
Mike M. Posted On:2012-02-13 10:49:33


Franco, do you think the Vibrogym is enough the better machine than the Wave Contour Plus to explain the difference in your result and mine? I have been doing the same program for probably 3 months out of the 5 or so I've had the Wave but lately have cut back while the trigger point problem slowly subsides in my legs. But I have not noticed any gain in explosiveness or vertical lift at all.

Also I have noticed that the handle on the Wave vibrates somewhat. Is it anywhere close to what might be useful for the arms, or is it just incidental?

 
Lysanne Posted On:2012-02-13 07:41:23

Hello Lloyd and all contributors.

This site has tons of valuable information. Thank you so much, it is very appreciated and can almost overwhelming at time.

As many before me, I would like to purchase a vibration machine. I live in Quebec, Canada where I have not yet found any studio nearby that offer vibration training. That said, I have tried a pivotal machine, the Viba, at a trade show and was immediatly taken by the sensation in my muscles and have been researching VT since. I have a hard time deciding if I should go with a pivotal or a lineal. My husband has a bad lower back and is somewhat out of shape. I have 2 teeangers eager to train and build muscle tone and as well as general fitness. I have osteoporosis and am in good physical shape looking for general good health, loose weight and improve bone density. I use to teach Phys Ed so following a good protocol of training is important to me.  My budget unfortunately is a max of 2000 dollars. Do you have any suggestions for me as most machines you recommend and I understand why, are all above what I can pay. 

Also, I have not seen any info concerning the new or maybe not...3 in 1 machine such as VMax Trio or the Vibra Trim VT400. I would like to know what you think of these since they both sell at 1999 dollars.

Any comments would really be appreciated. Thank you.

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2012-02-12 15:16:17
My reply .......
 
 
Not an expert in "Vibration Training" . You don't need to be if you spend 2 minutes on Google ?
 
With today's unlimited access to knowledge, how can anyone promote consumer disinformation. Shouldn't you be the filter between some dodgy marketer and the public you are trying to help ?
 
Not trying to give you a hard time. But I run a consumer advice website, and without  people like you putting in some effort. It makes our job a whole lot harder.
 
Angela Posted On:2012-02-12 04:21:40

Hi Lloyd,

As I mentioned on my blog in response to your comment, to clarify, my post was by no means intended to market or sell the equipment I discussed. It was simply to give a review of a class I have been participating in. I am not an expert on vibration training and all information that I posted was based on what has been claimed by Flexi-Sports, the makers of the equipment I talked about. If you are concerned about false marketing claims, I would recommend getting in touch with them rather than accusing me of trying to pass "a stick"off as vibration training.

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2012-02-11 17:52:06
Another try hard attempting to highjack the term Vibration Training for marketing purposes.
 
 
All Vibration Training followers need to give these idiots a hard time. Bad enough we have fake specs and piss weak machines out there. But now a stick gets labeled VT . Come on ????
 
Franco Ferroni Posted On:2012-02-11 12:11:36

Great job Lloyd, you are in excellent shape!! I can't wait to see the results of your report.

On my side, I can say that after six straight months of vibration training, three times per week, performing the safety program on the Vibrogym, I'm experiencing an evident improvement in my vertical jump and explosive strenght. As an ex professional basketball player, I can say it's an amazing result, especially for someone like me who had serious knee injuries and cannot work hard the legs in the traditional way.
 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2012-02-11 10:32:00
Carefully read the first ever proper review and clarification of different units on the market here.... 
 
 
At the time allot of industry people did not agree with it. They could not get to grips with the ideas behind it after being feed BS for years by the "experts"  ( Note: some of them want confusion and everything in "geek speak" because it stopped people from asking the basic questions. So deliberately attacked or tried to sabotage my work eg... the story of vt.net will soon be published and I promise you will be surprised at how far these people where willing to go to destroy our work  ) 
 
But despite their protests and anti-intellectual attacks, every year, every word is being proven true. 
 
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